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  1. Comment on A Simple Way to Reduce Harassment in Online Discussion Groups in ~tech

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    That's a fair criticism. To clarify, I'm no expert, and my impression isn't based on hard data, just anecdotal evidence. If I made it sound otherwise, I got carried away. I think here, you worded...

    it feels like what's being stated here is more presented as 'fact' from your own experiences.

    That's a fair criticism. To clarify, I'm no expert, and my impression isn't based on hard data, just anecdotal evidence. If I made it sound otherwise, I got carried away.

    To sit here and discredit it (without offering any solution or criticism) based on your own experiences

    I think here, you worded it too strongly. I did make a proposal in my comment. It's okay if you disagree with it.

    please raise those concerns instead of dismissing the study.

    For what it's worth, I intended my "dismissal" to mean "this alone won't solve the problem."

    I think the fairest criticism of my comment is that I shoehorned my own concerns into this thread. Cheers.

    3 votes
  2. Comment on Banned accounts should have their past comments visible in ~tildes

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    Well if we feel we are "owed" them, probably. If they are mutually beneficial features, I don't see a conflict.

    Well if we feel we are "owed" them, probably. If they are mutually beneficial features, I don't see a conflict.

    5 votes
  3. Comment on Banned accounts should have their past comments visible in ~tildes

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    The only thing the mods might owe a user is the chance to download an archive of their content. Beyond that, I don't think a mod owes anyone disk space. If I ever get banned, I'll take it as a...

    The only thing the mods might owe a user is the chance to download an archive of their content. Beyond that, I don't think a mod owes anyone disk space. If I ever get banned, I'll take it as a sign that I didn't belong here, and I'll just quietly take my "business" (well, my "opinions" at any rate) elsewhere.

    4 votes
  4. Comment on A Simple Way to Reduce Harassment in Online Discussion Groups in ~tech

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    I'm generally an advocate of customer focus ("user focus" is more apt in this case) in business. Customer focus includes setting a welcoming tone. However, when we talk about countering trolls, I...

    I'm generally an advocate of customer focus ("user focus" is more apt in this case) in business. Customer focus includes setting a welcoming tone. However, when we talk about countering trolls, I think what constitutes a "welcoming tone" changes. There is a sizable ratio of users, especially today, who respond positively, the more negative is a company's response to trolls.

    I have an example from this week. I notice Reddit users are complaining about a user with "1488" in his username, who has been creating dozens of neo-nazi posts. Reddit deals with each of his posts on a case-by-case basis. In a sense, Reddit, by giving the benefit of the doubt to this bigot, is being kind and welcoming. That "kindness" rubs many users the wrong way. A harsher attitude from Reddit toward this type of propaganda would set a more welcoming tone for the site overall.

    Users who are sick of online hatred are starved for examples of social media companies who are proactive about countering it. I doubt such users would feel like the target of the harsh wording in my original comment.

    5 votes
  5. Comment on A Simple Way to Reduce Harassment in Online Discussion Groups in ~tech

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    Yep, it's still a doomed approach because it leaves the door open for endless accusations that the mods are enforcing the rules arbitrarily. The effective approach is probably to position...

    Yep, it's still a doomed approach because it leaves the door open for endless accusations that the mods are enforcing the rules arbitrarily.

    The effective approach is probably to position moderation like "We moderate [sitename] as we see fit. We reserve the right to ban any user, for any reason. Generally we ban users we think fail to make a positive contribution, but we may ban you for absolutely any reason, or no reason at all, at any time. Don't bother complaining about our decisions, we never promised they would be fair. We have zero tolerance for nonsense."

    6 votes
  6. Comment on But Do You Want Dylann Roof To Have Rights? in ~news

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    What bothers me about taking away the vote from anyone is the prospect of corrupt government using this to avoid accountability. We should make it as hard as possible to unjustly legislate...

    What bothers me about taking away the vote from anyone is the prospect of corrupt government using this to avoid accountability. We should make it as hard as possible to unjustly legislate dissidents into prison and ignore their votes.

    6 votes
  7. Comment on Voat, the ‘Censorship-Free’ Reddit, Begs Users to Stop Making Death Threats in ~tech

    chas (edited ) Link Parent
    The point isn't to evangelize the edge lords, and bring them back into the fold. That strategy is arrogance, and doesn't work. Rather the point is to make it harder for the edge lords to...

    it just condenses them into one space that you can no longer reach at all

    The point isn't to evangelize the edge lords, and bring them back into the fold. That strategy is arrogance, and doesn't work. Rather the point is to make it harder for the edge lords to evangelize the general public. That is a strategy which is more likely to succeed. Ask any marketer; "reach" is a big deal.

    10 votes
  8. Comment on Which newspaper do you trust? in ~talk

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    Same here. The Guardian is pretty good. Regardless of the paper, if an issue is controversial, I google the journalist's name. It really helps if you know where the author is coming from, and it's...

    Same here. The Guardian is pretty good. Regardless of the paper, if an issue is controversial, I google the journalist's name. It really helps if you know where the author is coming from, and it's generally not hard to get a sense of that from their bio.

    3 votes
  9. Comment on Discovering Tildes through Reddit could use some help in ~tildes

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    I'm happy to share an echo chamber with the Monteverdi Choir. I just don't want an echo chamber with angry, yowling cats.

    echo chamber

    I'm happy to share an echo chamber with the Monteverdi Choir. I just don't want an echo chamber with angry, yowling cats.

    7 votes
  10. Comment on <deleted topic> in ~tech

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    Look at that article about Youtube, and its CEO Susan Wojcicki. A normal human being wouldn't sleep easy hosting petabytes of revolting, if not criminal, trash. But if you have a massive salary,...

    Look at that article about Youtube, and its CEO Susan Wojcicki. A normal human being wouldn't sleep easy hosting petabytes of revolting, if not criminal, trash. But if you have a massive salary, and constant affirmation from employees and colleagues, I imagine one's ego comes up with creative self-justifications. The worst "filter bubble" is the milieu in which CEOs like Wojcicki live and work.

    If there were more public attention shone on C-Level execs, that would help.

    Otherwise, you have to attack the incentives. That can come by pressuring government to regulate companies. It could come via investor boycotts. It could come by consumers adopting ethical alternatives (see Facebook's shrinking user base).

    1 vote
  11. Comment on Banning of users and the discussion of controversial subjects in ~tildes

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    I don't know about other people, but I personally joined this site because I want strong moderation. I'm not interested in debates over whose ban was fair or not. If I get kicked from the site...

    I don't know about other people, but I personally joined this site because I want strong moderation. I'm not interested in debates over whose ban was fair or not. If I get kicked from the site some day, that's my tough luck. It's not the only website on the internet.

    My philosophy is that the admin owns this site, and we're all guests. If the admin can't kick people off the site without people gnashing teeth, it won't be much different than Reddit. Frankly, if I were an admin here, I'd ban people for complaining too much about bans.

    Bans are subjective. Always. That is the nature of the physical universe. There is no such thing as an objective ban.

    18 votes
  12. Comment on What re-recording or variation of a classic song do you believe beats the original? in ~music

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    I like Luther & Little Eva's "Love Is Strange" better than the original Mickey & Sylvia version, or any of the others I've heard (Buddy Holly, etc.) I also like The Beach Boys' "I Can Hear Music"...

    I like Luther & Little Eva's "Love Is Strange" better than the original Mickey & Sylvia version, or any of the others I've heard (Buddy Holly, etc.)

    I also like The Beach Boys' "I Can Hear Music" better than the Ronettes' original.

    1 vote
  13. Comment on Reddit has banned r/watchpeopledie in ~tech

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    That's self-evident to pretty much anyone who came of age before the dawn of social media. The younger generation has a different overton window.

    That's self-evident to pretty much anyone who came of age before the dawn of social media. The younger generation has a different overton window.

    5 votes
  14. Comment on An All-Neural On-Device Speech Recognizer in ~comp

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    Good. Cloud-based speech recognition is an abomination, in terms of privacy, reliability, and - in certain regards - performance.

    Good. Cloud-based speech recognition is an abomination, in terms of privacy, reliability, and - in certain regards - performance.

    2 votes
  15. Comment on Tildes mobile app in ~tildes

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    When it comes to news sites, like Reddit or HN, what compelling reasons are there for a "reader" app to exist? Such apps may help a website operator market or monetize, but I've never found any...

    When it comes to news sites, like Reddit or HN, what compelling reasons are there for a "reader" app to exist? Such apps may help a website operator market or monetize, but I've never found any added value as a user. Do these apps provide extra functionality that people, aside from myself, use?

    2 votes
  16. Comment on Potential issues with catch-all terms for all non-white races? in ~talk

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    By chance, I just came across the term "racialized people". I think that succinctly expresses that racial categories are in the eye of the beholder.

    By chance, I just came across the term "racialized people". I think that succinctly expresses that racial categories are in the eye of the beholder.

    2 votes
  17. Comment on Oops! Famously Scathing Reviews of Classic Books From The Times’s Archive in ~books

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    The "oops!" rubs me the wrong way. As if to say "that book is in the canon now, so your opinion is wrong."

    The "oops!" rubs me the wrong way. As if to say "that book is in the canon now, so your opinion is wrong."

    4 votes
  18. Comment on The Teens Who Listen to ‘Mallwave’ Are Nostalgic for an Experience They’ve Never Had in ~music

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    There's a lot of metadata about published songs out there upon which you could build: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project

    My other dream is to make an algorithm to recommend music based on feeling.

    There's a lot of metadata about published songs out there upon which you could build: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project

    2 votes