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Meta wins emergency arbitration ruling on tell-all book, Careless People by former employee Sarah Wynn-Williams - book promotion to be limited

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  1. [3]
    CannibalisticApple
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    Ah, I love seeing the Streisand Effect in action. Never heard of this book, and I imagine I'm not the only one learning about it from this article about it being hit with a lawsuit.

    Ah, I love seeing the Streisand Effect in action. Never heard of this book, and I imagine I'm not the only one learning about it from this article about it being hit with a lawsuit.

    54 votes
    1. SteeeveTheSteve
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      It was nice of Meta to promote the book themselves, they even gave her a nice break.

      It was nice of Meta to promote the book themselves, they even gave her a nice break.

      12 votes
    2. AndreasChris
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      Yup. I guess I gotta go buy this book now. :D

      Yup. I guess I gotta go buy this book now. :D

      7 votes
  2. [4]
    kfwyre
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    I set up a notification for this book for when my library got a copy of the audiobook. I caught the notification when it went live, put a hold on it immediately, and was already fourth in line....
    • Exemplary

    I set up a notification for this book for when my library got a copy of the audiobook. I caught the notification when it went live, put a hold on it immediately, and was already fourth in line. There are now over 500 people waiting for it.

    I'm halfway through it right now. I can see why Meta wants to bury this. It's pretty damning.

    Sarah Wynn-Williams was essentially "Facebook's diplomat" and helped manage Facebook's leadership in world affairs. She had previously worked at the UN and basically lobbied for Facebook to create a position like hers. At the time, Facebook was uninterested, but eventually brought her on and realized the worth of someone like her as they started to try to expand their service to other countries and navigate laws and regulatory actions against them.

    Wynn-Williams worked directly with Sheryl Sandberg and Mark Zuckerberg for years, and they're both given a very negative tint in the book.

    Wynn-Williams criticizes Sandberg via her experiences as a working mother at Facebook. Sandberg was hailed as sort of THE exemplar of a working mother and strong woman leader after her book Lean In was published, but Wynn-Williams says that was essentially just image. She notes that Sandberg has nannies that take care of her kids and demands a work-life imbalance from employees in which kids and family-time are seen as liabilities.

    Zuckerberg is generally painted as narcissistic, self-important, and somewhat childish.

    Facebook at large is framed as being a company that originally focused on "making the world more open and connected" before shifting into something that uncomfortably pursued growth and soft power for its own sake. Wynn-Williams talks about how there were concerted efforts to get politicians worldwide onto Facebook so that they'd effectively be dependent on it and likely to cater to Facebook's wants.

    The book doesn't read like a bitter bridge burning (read Kara Swisher's Burn Book if you're looking for that). Instead, Wynn-Williams comes across as a defeated idealist. She sounds like someone who recognized early the power that Facebook would have in the world and wanted to be a part of that and shape it for good, only to run up against leadership whose priorities began to cross increasingly worrying ethical boundaries.

    Also, I suspect Meta is less interested in burying the book because Sandberg and Zuckerberg look bad personally and more because it lays out Facebook's strategy for getting and leveraging power with governments worldwide. I went in thinking the book was going to be about specific people, but it's much more about the broader idea of diplomacy as exercised by Facebook.

    I'm only halfway through, so this isn't a full review, but at this point I feel that I've read enough to say that I definitely think it's a worthwhile read, and Wynn-Williams has a lot of credibility as a narrator. It is hard to tell how many of her judgment calls are Monday-morning quarterbacking (she's invariably on the "right side" of things in nearly all of the stories she tells), but there's plenty to chew on outside of her own experiences and perceptions. I was already critical of Facebook and its leadership, but this book is helping me hone that criticism from a new perspective.

    I should be finishing the book soon, by the way. There are hundreds of people waiting on it, after all!

    Also, on a final note, I love the cover art. Simple, clever, and effective.

    32 votes
    1. [3]
      kfwyre
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      Update: I’m now finished. The second half is way worse than the first. Not “worse” in the sense that it’s badly written, but “worse” in the sense that you get to watch Facebook fall fully over the...

      Update: I’m now finished.

      The second half is way worse than the first. Not “worse” in the sense that it’s badly written, but “worse” in the sense that you get to watch Facebook fall fully over the edge of a moral cliff. Sexual harassment; Zuckerberg lying to Congress; operating illegally in China; advertisers targeting minors in “vulnerable” moments; Myanmar.

      If you’re looking for a smoking gun in the book, you’ll get it in the second half. The first half is more personal; the second half is more illuminating.

      22 votes
      1. RheingoldRiver
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        Yeah I read the first half last night and I was like "ok this is bad but not much worse than what we knew?" Then I read the second half today. This book is worth reading. She doesn't talk much...

        Yeah I read the first half last night and I was like "ok this is bad but not much worse than what we knew?"

        Then I read the second half today. This book is worth reading.

        She doesn't talk much about her compensation but it's really telling that she was a senior policymaker at Facebook and an Uber ride was considered extravagant. Goddamn.

        7 votes
      2. boxer_dogs_dance
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        Even that doesn't get to the problem of fueling violence in non English speaking countries worldwide

        Even that doesn't get to the problem of fueling violence in non English speaking countries worldwide

        1 vote
  3. [9]
    snake_case
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    So…. Where do I find this book? Lol

    So…. Where do I find this book? Lol

    28 votes
    1. [8]
      scojjac
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      Available from Kobo as an ebook or audiobook. Available from Bookshop.org in hardback. Let your friends know! Post it on your blog!

      Available from Kobo as an ebook or audiobook. Available from Bookshop.org in hardback.

      Let your friends know! Post it on your blog!

      24 votes
      1. [2]
        RheingoldRiver
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        Kobo link with en localization
        8 votes
        1. scojjac
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          Good catch, have been using the phone in Spanish and sometimes forget about that detail. Updated my post.

          Good catch, have been using the phone in Spanish and sometimes forget about that detail. Updated my post.

          2 votes
      2. [5]
        Carrie
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        Thanks for the link! Bought the hardcover. If enough people from Tildes buy it, perhaps it can be a book club contender, @boxers_dog_dance?

        Thanks for the link! Bought the hardcover.

        If enough people from Tildes buy it, perhaps it can be a book club contender, @boxers_dog_dance?

        7 votes
        1. [4]
          boxer_dogs_dance
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          We'll be voting for books again this Summer. I think a discussion of this book by the members of this forum could be fascinating. The nomination and voting process are pretty open, with a length...

          We'll be voting for books again this Summer. I think a discussion of this book by the members of this forum could be fascinating.

          The nomination and voting process are pretty open, with a length limit that matches the month long reading period. If there was unusually high interest, I suppose it could be possible to split a long book over two months, but we haven't done that.

          We did have a discussion where people seemed to not want nonfiction. Then after more people signed up, we read Born a Crime, a memoir.

          I facilitate voting, but I don't choose the books.

          6 votes
          1. [3]
            Dr_Amazing
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            What's the best way to stay on top of this? I enjoyed the Ministry of The Future, discussion, but I just happened to stumbled across the thread after having recently read the book.

            What's the best way to stay on top of this? I enjoyed the Ministry of The Future, discussion, but I just happened to stumbled across the thread after having recently read the book.

            2 votes
            1. [2]
              boxer_dogs_dance
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              Would you like me to add you to the ping list for book club? There are posts approximately twice per month. Comments don't ping people. Only posts do.

              Would you like me to add you to the ping list for book club? There are posts approximately twice per month. Comments don't ping people. Only posts do.

              3 votes
  4. [19]
    kitschqueen
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    Just made sure my library has copies and placed a hold on one. (Reminder that you can always request your library to purchase materials you want!)

    Just made sure my library has copies and placed a hold on one. (Reminder that you can always request your library to purchase materials you want!)

    17 votes
    1. [18]
      trim
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      You have a library? We have a dusty , unstaffed stained corner of a leisure centre

      You have a library? We have a dusty , unstaffed stained corner of a leisure centre

      3 votes
      1. [17]
        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        Sounds like something to complain to your local leaders about. Libraries are wonderful

        Sounds like something to complain to your local leaders about.

        Libraries are wonderful

        11 votes
        1. [16]
          trim
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          Our local leaders did this. We had a lovely 3 floor library in an old victorian building. Class place. Then they closed that and sold it to some developer who knocked it down and built ugly shit...

          Our local leaders did this. We had a lovely 3 floor library in an old victorian building. Class place. Then they closed that and sold it to some developer who knocked it down and built ugly shit flats. The library then moved to a small vacant retail unit on the high street. Still a dedicated staffed library though. Then they closed that (5 years ago, and the unit is empty to this day) and put a few kids books in the corner of the leisure centre and called it the library.

          I expect it'll disappear completely at some point. I used to get the mobile library around my village once a week too, and that's stopped.

          Complaints in private are met with bleating of lack of cash, and if you have the temerity to complain in public like on the county facebook page or something, you get shat on for being "intellectual" (though, not using that word, that word isn't in the active vocabulary of the denizens of the local facebook pages) and there are "more important" things to spend the money on, mostly by people who haven't read a book in their lives.

          Edit: I appear to have presented as some kind of snob. Apologies

          18 votes
          1. [2]
            Omnicrola
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            I grew up in one of the reddest states in the country, in a city of less than 100k, surrounded by agriculture, raised in a conservative religion, and my parents still made certain that we went to...

            I grew up in one of the reddest states in the country, in a city of less than 100k, surrounded by agriculture, raised in a conservative religion, and my parents still made certain that we went to the library nearly every single week. I loved visiting the library as a kid, I went to the events where they let kids sleep there over night (supervised), I volunteered as a teenager, I practically lived in either the public library or the school library.

            So it absolutely baffles (and angers) me to watch some communities actively torpedo their own library. Every single time my local township has a vote on taxes for libraries, it's a yes from me.

            17 votes
            1. trim
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              I have very fond memories as a child going to my local library - different town - and searching for any Dr. Who? books that I hadn't yet read. I never stopped reading, but the destruction of...

              I have very fond memories as a child going to my local library - different town - and searching for any Dr. Who? books that I hadn't yet read. I never stopped reading, but the destruction of libraries here in the UK is totally depressing.

              5 votes
          2. [11]
            zod000
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            This was an incredibly depressing read. I am so sorry to hear about your (lack of) library situation. I amusingly thought that perhaps that one of the few things the US still lead on in the west...

            This was an incredibly depressing read. I am so sorry to hear about your (lack of) library situation. I amusingly thought that perhaps that one of the few things the US still lead on in the west was anti-intellectualism. Once again, we're nothing so special :)

            A trend in US that I have seen in many areas is the creation of "little free libraries" in residential neighborhoods and some common areas. They are little free standing structured about the size of a small cabinet containing donated books for people to borrow or keep and for others to donate their own books. I don't know how valid such a thing could be in your village if you tried to make one, but I'm just throwing out the idea.

            9 votes
            1. [7]
              trim
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              I made a little free library in my village! Put some books in. It got burned down. Someone threw a car tyre over it and set light to it.

              I made a little free library in my village!

              Put some books in.

              It got burned down. Someone threw a car tyre over it and set light to it.

              12 votes
              1. zod000
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                Holy shit... I have no words, but my sincere condolences.

                Holy shit...

                I have no words, but my sincere condolences.

                7 votes
              2. [5]
                balooga
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                What? Like arson? Who would burn down a little free library?

                What? Like arson? Who would burn down a little free library?

                4 votes
                1. [3]
                  trim
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                  Antisocial behaviour. A common problem here. It exists, and it's for other people, so it must be destroyed. Council switched from using glass in bus shelters to perspex / acrylic windows, so now...

                  Antisocial behaviour. A common problem here. It exists, and it's for other people, so it must be destroyed.

                  Council switched from using glass in bus shelters to perspex / acrylic windows, so now instead of being shattered they have big melted holes in them and the seats ripped out.

                  There are 6 bus shelters in the village and the windows are either missing or melted in all of them. Council will replace the perspex once a year maybe, but it doesn't last more than a few months.

                  7 votes
                  1. [2]
                    nukeman
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                    Is there a reason why it seems anti-social behavior is so common in Britain? Not to throw stone or anything (SC ain’t exactly a pro-social paradise), but I’ve been hearing about random stuff like...

                    Is there a reason why it seems anti-social behavior is so common in Britain? Not to throw stone or anything (SC ain’t exactly a pro-social paradise), but I’ve been hearing about random stuff like this for years.

                    2 votes
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                      Hard to say. I could speculate that around here, the communities around former mining villages never properly recovered from the closure of the pits and consequent lack of jobs and investment. It...

                      Hard to say. I could speculate that around here, the communities around former mining villages never properly recovered from the closure of the pits and consequent lack of jobs and investment.

                      It can't explain everything though.

                      Coastal towns which used to be thriving holiday destinations suffered a similar fate following the rise of the package holiday towards the end of the 70s, and again were ignored afterwards.

                      Places I used to go on holiday in the 70s at the seaside, now are full of derelict and run down terraced properties and joblessness.

                      There's a channel on YouTube called Turd Towns if you want to see what things are like outside of the shiny areas of the big cities, and fancy stately homes and castles.

                      He's always on point and very fair, but man, there are way too many bleak places here.

                      Thanks for asking that question, I'm now thoroughly depressed lol

                      Going to look at some pictures of the amazing Northumberland coast to cheer myself up :)

                      Like this one

                      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Bamburgh2006.jpg

                      6 votes
                2. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                  It happened in my blue college town. People just suck sometimes.

                  It happened in my blue college town. People just suck sometimes.

                  5 votes
            2. [3]
              Akir
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              Little free libraries are not just rural areas. There is one at a house about a block away from me and another one inside a local clinic which happens to be about 500 feet from a county run public...

              Little free libraries are not just rural areas. There is one at a house about a block away from me and another one inside a local clinic which happens to be about 500 feet from a county run public library.

              1. [2]
                zod000
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                Did you reply to the wrong comment? I never mentioned anything about rural areas. I've actually never seen one in a rural area as neither of the two areas I have lived in as an adult would be...

                Did you reply to the wrong comment? I never mentioned anything about rural areas. I've actually never seen one in a rural area as neither of the two areas I have lived in as an adult would be remotely classified as rural.

                1 vote
                1. Akir
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                  I just misread the word “residential”, it seems.

                  I just misread the word “residential”, it seems.

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            DefinitelyNotAFae
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            I didn't read you that way, and it sucks your local leadership don't give a damn. Our libraries, even my small village one, are excellent and provide a lot of other activities and services...

            I didn't read you that way, and it sucks your local leadership don't give a damn. Our libraries, even my small village one, are excellent and provide a lot of other activities and services especially to kids.

            6 votes
            1. trim
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              Maybe my view on them is clouded by local experience, and it's not this bad everywhere, but it's pretty bad here in my part of the UK at least.

              Maybe my view on them is clouded by local experience, and it's not this bad everywhere, but it's pretty bad here in my part of the UK at least.

              3 votes
  5. Asinine
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    Mmm, legalese. Should? Okay cool, but I shan't. Looks like I need a copy as well; thank you Barbara!

    Mmm, legalese.

    The ruling says that Wynn-Williams should stop promoting the book and, to the extent she could, stop further publication. It did not order any action by the publisher.

    Should? Okay cool, but I shan't. Looks like I need a copy as well; thank you Barbara!

    8 votes
  6. RheingoldRiver
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    Bought the hardcover and shared the link with a couple discord servers

    Bought the hardcover and shared the link with a couple discord servers

    6 votes
  7. [2]
    sparksbet
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    Is there a reason the title of this topic says "social media company" rather than naming Meta directly like the title of the article does? Meta is only in the tags.

    Is there a reason the title of this topic says "social media company" rather than naming Meta directly like the title of the article does? Meta is only in the tags.

    16 votes