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Center For Humane Technology: A New Agenda for Tech (Tristan Harris)

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    cadadr Link
    I think I agree about the problems but find solutions too naive. As long as the ad scheme economy will exist, we'll have companies that will race to exploit us better. Awareness is not a solution...

    I think I agree about the problems but find solutions too naive. As long as the ad scheme economy will exist, we'll have companies that will race to exploit us better. Awareness is not a solution because we'll never have enough people that are aware of this stuff.

    The only step forwards is killing the fraudulent economy of online ads. Then, we'll have removed the biggest incentives for malicious recommendations and invasive tracking.

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      co3d Link Parent
      I fully agree, however I don't think at all that Tristan is naive about this. He's often spoken about the terrible incentives inherent in the ad-based revenue model of much of the internet. Even...

      I fully agree, however I don't think at all that Tristan is naive about this. He's often spoken about the terrible incentives inherent in the ad-based revenue model of much of the internet. Even in this very talk he says outright:

      "Free may be the most expensive model we've ever created."

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        cadadr Link Parent
        Oh sure, I meant the "humane ..." part of the slides, and the emphasis on awareness, the breathe excercises or such. Any solution to anything that requires mass awareness is doomed IMHO, because...

        Oh sure, I meant the "humane ..." part of the slides, and the emphasis on awareness, the breathe excercises or such. Any solution to anything that requires mass awareness is doomed IMHO, because the masses behave rather hedonistically and don't care.

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          co3d Link Parent
          I agree. However, he also says that it's not about the masses suddenly becoming enlightened. A lot of it can be tackled by "just around 1000 people in Silicon Valley" doing things differently.

          Any solution to anything that requires mass awareness is doomed IMHO, because the masses behave rather hedonistically and don't care.

          I agree. However, he also says that it's not about the masses suddenly becoming enlightened. A lot of it can be tackled by "just around 1000 people in Silicon Valley" doing things differently.

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          1. cadadr Link Parent
            Risking to sound too skeptic/cynic, I'll say that is no different task either. 1000 rich guys that got rich through these horrible practices will make as hard a job convincing to switch as...

            Risking to sound too skeptic/cynic, I'll say that is no different task either. 1000 rich guys that got rich through these horrible practices will make as hard a job convincing to switch as millions and millions of users worldwide. TBH I fail to see any possibility other than either ads becoming irrelevant as a result of their false premises being debunked by journalism and number, or their balls getting busted by the governments and NGOs worldwide because of their fraudulent and malicious actions, and in both cases, the ad industry being proclaimed a pyramid scheme and getting removed.