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  1. WhyCause
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    As a redditor with a sizeable collection of subreddits in my browsing list, there's really only a few niche-ish ones that keep me going back daily. If I went to /r/origami, for example, one day...

    As a redditor with a sizeable collection of subreddits in my browsing list, there's really only a few niche-ish ones that keep me going back daily.

    If I went to /r/origami, for example, one day and found that submissions were disabled with a sticky post at the top saying, "we're on Tildes now, come check us out," I wouldn't hesitate to click the link and split my browsing time between the two sites. I don't know that I would try to copy everything over, though; if you crossposted everything between Tildes and reddit, the motivation to move would be lower (I'd probably just subscribe to both the ~ and subreddit, and skip articles I'd seen already). At the same time, however, you want to have some content here, to encourage users to move.

    The happy medium might be a "changeover window." I would make a couple of stickied posts, one laying out your rationale for the switch and setting a firm cutoff date (say, 14 days), and the second updating daily as a countdown to the switch. At this point, I might post a digest of the top 10 new reddit posts daily to Tildes, so that users can have something to discuss until the new stuff starts getting posted here. Perhaps having a bot auto-reply to each new reddit post indicating the cutoff date and where to find the new home would be a good idea as well. After the cutoff date, though, I don't know that I would copy anything more, with perhaps the exception of some "all-time great" posts if new posts are flagging, just to make sure the content is here to encourage people to stay. Leave the old subreddit as an archive, and encourage the reddit users that make the switch to not delete anything (but reposting here might be OK). In general, I wouldn't copy comments, as (a) they're not yours, and there may be some copyright issues that could come back and bite you, and (b) you want the discussions to be here, following the Tildes rules and culture; copying the reddit comments will haul that culture over here with you.

    If I understand well enough the way reddit works, you'll need to hold on to your account and moderation of the "shifted" subreddit to prevent it being taken over by someone else and revived, cannibalizing your userbase. My big fear with all of this is that (at some point) one of the phenomenally popular subreddits (or too many niche ones) will try to cut over to someplace else, and reddit corporate will yank the moderation of all the shifted subreddits to try to revive them or prevent the shift altogether. It wouldn't surprise me to see changes to the terms of service (or moderator rules) prohibiting shifting if the revenue starts to shrink too much.

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  2. aphoenix
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    I have a bit of a dissenting view that I think should be expressed. It's my understanding that you are trying to organize an exodus of full communities that you administer, and not just yourself....

    I have a bit of a dissenting view that I think should be expressed.

    It's my understanding that you are trying to organize an exodus of full communities that you administer, and not just yourself. If that is the correct understanding, then I would urge you to pump the brakes and think about things in some more detail.

    If someone migrates a community from one site to another, then you're effectively making a decision for hundreds / thousands of people on which sites they can frequent to get the information that they're looking for. I don't think that that is right. You should have control over yourself and where you spend your time, but a moderator on reddit shouldn't be able to wholesale move a community to a place away from reddit. That's broken.

    And yes, that's a problem with reddit itself, and is correlated to why someone might want to leave reddit, but I think that it is, to put it bluntly, a bit awful to use the parts of reddit that one disagrees with as a way to disentangle a whole community from reddit.

    I would urge fostering the communities in other places - here, forums you set up, etc - and once you're comfortable demodding yourself and letting those communities continue to live on reddit.

    If I've misunderstood what you're looking to do, then feel free to ignore this and move on!

    7 votes
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    post_below
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    Seems to me that if you already have support from important posters it should be pretty easy. Pick a sub, use your invites on a handful of prolific users, have them invite more, and go from there,...

    Seems to me that if you already have support from important posters it should be pretty easy. Pick a sub, use your invites on a handful of prolific users, have them invite more, and go from there, using the old sub as a place to distribute invites. Repeat as necessary.

    Don't copy anything without permission, the only people with unconditional copyright on a reddit post are the original poster and reddit themselves.

    5 votes
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      1. cfabbro
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        Relevent bits from https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement

        Relevent bits from https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement

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      2. post_below
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        I'm not an expert in copyright law, it may be different in some places, but generally speaking a sufficiently unique post would get automatic copyright for the poster. You'll have to check...

        I'm not an expert in copyright law, it may be different in some places, but generally speaking a sufficiently unique post would get automatic copyright for the poster.

        You'll have to check reddit's TOS to be sure but last I looked they get full rights to all posted content, parallel with the poster maintaining copyright.

        Anything you personally posted should be safe to do whatever you want with.

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  4. Deimos
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    I'm honestly not sure I'm fully understanding what you're hoping to do, but I don't think adding another transition/migration to the process could possibly make it any easier. I know you're eager...

    I'm honestly not sure I'm fully understanding what you're hoping to do, but I don't think adding another transition/migration to the process could possibly make it any easier. I know you're eager to find a way to start moving away from Reddit (and I'm sorry I haven't been able to invest much time on working on the pieces that will make that possible from Tildes's end), but I think trying to add an intermediary location would probably require a fair amount of work and not help much.

    4 votes
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    grungegun
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    I mean, I think you said you administer some of those reddit pages. You could do a gradual move to tildes and just stick a post and add a link in the description with instructions to contact about...

    I mean, I think you said you administer some of those reddit pages. You could do a gradual move to tildes and just stick a post and add a link in the description with instructions to contact about getting invited.

    I imagine the main worry is the split in the community in the meantime. For that, it would probably be possible to write a bot to crawl one of the pages (reddit probably, while the transition takes place), scrape links and repost on tildes under a pre-approved generic user. I imagine that you'd need to place an upvote minumum to avoid flooding the ~ with posts. Are you comfortable writing crawlers?

    3 votes
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        grungegun
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        Hm. What's the problem exactly? Are you trying to replicate your entire reddit site on Tildes, (post history, etc), or are you just interested in moving all the users?

        Hm. What's the problem exactly? Are you trying to replicate your entire reddit site on Tildes, (post history, etc), or are you just interested in moving all the users?

        1 vote
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          vord
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          I think the goal is to offer the best parts of reddit a migration path away such that the increasingly toxic site doesn't keep afloat based on the minority of high-quality contributors.

          I think the goal is to offer the best parts of reddit a migration path away such that the increasingly toxic site doesn't keep afloat based on the minority of high-quality contributors.

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            1. vord
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              I guess I could have elaborated that by 'increasingly toxic site' I meant the site itself, rather than all of the users that make the content for said site.

              I guess I could have elaborated that by 'increasingly toxic site' I meant the site itself, rather than all of the users that make the content for said site.

              2 votes
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            grungegun
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            This is well and good. What I'm asking for though is a comp sci spec on what that would entail: Should post history be preserved? Should Karma counts be preserved? Should users be automatically...

            This is well and good.

            What I'm asking for though is a comp sci spec on what that would entail:
            Should post history be preserved?
            Should Karma counts be preserved?
            Should users be automatically referenced in Tildes?
            Should subreddit rules be automatically applied in Tildes?
            Is this intended to apply to all academic subreddits at once, or one at a time?
            Are users in the academic subreddits to automatically get a corresponding Tildes invitation or should they register themselves?
            etc.
            Basically a list of required things. For instance, if you just wanted to issue an invitation to all the users of a subreddit, you could set up a system to give active users accounts via reddit DM (send a one-time link)

            Some of these things only @Deimos can do. Some of these things, any person could do given a list of information to collect and some programming expertise.

            2 votes
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              1. grungegun
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                Interesting, I'm curious to know where the difficulty arises for Deimos. I'd imagine that it would be user load, or administrative architecture, since the moderator system is fairly undeveloped...

                Interesting, I'm curious to know where the difficulty arises for Deimos. I'd imagine that it would be user load, or administrative architecture, since the moderator system is fairly undeveloped (my impressions). @Deimos I summon thee!

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  6. skybrian
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    I suspect it would be more like starting an additional community to discuss the same topics with some of the same people. People will need to register and start using it regularly and not everyone...

    I suspect it would be more like starting an additional community to discuss the same topics with some of the same people. People will need to register and start using it regularly and not everyone will. Some people would likely post in both places. Essentially, it’s a splinter group that hopefully replaces the original but there are no guarantees. If you are worried about Reddit then having some discussion elsewhere is still progress.

    So I think the question is how to get a new community off the ground? Basically you need a core group of people who have agreed to participate (not necessarily move). There also needs to be a way for newcomers to find you. Note that you if people just find your community via web searches and lurk for a while before registering then that’s okay; the problem would be if they never find you and just go to Reddit by default. Writing a good FAQ might be helpful for attracting attention via web searches.

    They could come here but it would essentially be as new members of the Tildes community, which seems fine and may result in discussions of more topics, but maybe it’s not what you’re looking for?

    It seems like you should be asking other people in the relevant Reddit groups what they want to do? How many of them are even interested in leaving Reddit?

    In the old days the low-effort approach would be to start a mailing list. These days apparently people use Discourse or something like that?

    3 votes
  7. Parameter
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    The trick is getting the right people first, a few of the scholars and experts would understand the importance of focusing their efforts and how Tildes could benefit that. What do you think those...

    The trick is getting the right people first, a few of the scholars and experts would understand the importance of focusing their efforts and how Tildes could benefit that.

    What do you think those people would need first? If a python script retrieved the top 25 posts every hour (ignoring the duplicates) and posted the link them to a tildes group, would that be enough? A place for the key folks to potentially start engaging with people here instead?

    2 votes
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    moonbathers
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    I use an addon to block Reddit on my computer. I can still get around it with a private window, but that takes more effort to do, which means I look at Reddit less, and my desire to look at Reddit...

    I use an addon to block Reddit on my computer. I can still get around it with a private window, but that takes more effort to do, which means I look at Reddit less, and my desire to look at Reddit has gone down as a result.

    2 votes
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      1. moonbathers
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        Oh, sorry. Unfortunately I don't know how to help with that.

        Oh, sorry. Unfortunately I don't know how to help with that.

        2 votes
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      DougM
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      I took this approach as well and, after a while, realized how much I don't miss it.

      I took this approach as well and, after a while, realized how much I don't miss it.

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      1. moonbathers
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        It was just stressing me out and I don't need that. I'm kinda surprised how quickly that urge to check it has gone away.

        It was just stressing me out and I don't need that. I'm kinda surprised how quickly that urge to check it has gone away.

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