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Element to acquire Gitter and to switch it to use Matrix for communication

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  1. [3]
    dedime
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    This is very exciting news! I've been following matrix for a long time now, and I truly hope the best for them. My two biggest gripes with it right now: Their naming of products / brands is...

    This is very exciting news! I've been following matrix for a long time now, and I truly hope the best for them.

    My two biggest gripes with it right now:

    1. Their naming of products / brands is atrocious. "Gitter"? Great! Nothing will conflict with that. Easy to Google. "Matrix"? The movie? A mathmatical array? Huh. How about "element"? Like, an element off the periodic table? The element of surprise? Fire, earth, wind, water? The skateboard brand? Huh? Their previous "riot" app wasn't any better either. When they announced they were switching to "element" I facepalmed.
    2. They need a faster server implementation - Python just doesn't cut it when it comes to speed nowadays, particularly for such "base" software. Dendrite, their go implementation, seems to be getting close to beta though. That being said, I'm glad they have both - Python is easier to hack around in.
    10 votes
    1. tindall
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      "element app" is quite unambiguous, as is "element chat". I agree that the naming is not amazing, but it's not really a limiting factor for growth in my experience. Similarly, "matrix app",...

      "element app" is quite unambiguous, as is "element chat". I agree that the naming is not amazing, but it's not really a limiting factor for growth in my experience. Similarly, "matrix app", "matrix chat", or even "matrix server" are pretty unambiguous.

      As to the homeserver implementation, I absolutely agree. Fortunately, there are a number of other implementations in progress - dendrite is a great example, as is the phoenix conduit (which is a resurrected version of ruma), written in Rust.

      I also think that a big issue with the current homeserver implementation is that the Matrix organization promotes their centralized homeserver too heavily. I run a synapse instance on nora.codes with a few friends and it's really wonderfully performant on a 2GB DigitalOcean node. More federated = more better, in my opinion :)

      7 votes
    2. petrichor
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      Agreed! I love most of their branding - the [matrix] logo is great - although yeah, it's impossible to talk about online. Other projects that suffer from this type of naming issue are usually...

      Their naming of products / brands is atrocious.

      Agreed! I love most of their branding - the [matrix] logo is great - although yeah, it's impossible to talk about online. Other projects that suffer from this type of naming issue are usually talked about with some identifier - like Golang or Rocket.chat - but nothing's really caught on for Matrix to my knowledge.

      Like, an element off the periodic table? The element of surprise? Fire, earth, wind, water?

      Like an element of a matrix. Could be communicated better. Certainly leagues better than Riot.im.

      3 votes
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    PendingKetchup
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    This seems backward. Where is Element getting the cash for this? How are they going to make it back from Gitter users?

    This seems backward. Where is Element getting the cash for this? How are they going to make it back from Gitter users?

    4 votes
    1. lionirdeadman
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      Well, recently they got a contract with the government of Germany, NHS and were already used by the French and German military.

      Well, recently they got a contract with the government of Germany, NHS and were already used by the French and German military.

      5 votes
  3. dblohm7
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    I look forward to the improvements that are planned for Element and Matrix!

    I look forward to the improvements that are planned for Element and Matrix!

    3 votes
  4. Bauke
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    (Not a fan of the title but it's better than the non-descriptive "Welcoming Gitter to Matrix!")

    (Not a fan of the title but it's better than the non-descriptive "Welcoming Gitter to Matrix!")

    2 votes
  5. mxuribe
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    This is wonderful news! While i've heard of gitter before, I've actually never used it. However, i do appreciate the solid products/services that GitLab makes, so if they are any indication of...

    This is wonderful news! While i've heard of gitter before, I've actually never used it. However, i do appreciate the solid products/services that GitLab makes, so if they are any indication of what gitter brings to the table, that's just grand! As much of a fanboy that i am around matrix (the protocol AND all the awesome work that the matrix and all other, different server and client teams do), I'm the first to acknowledge that Element (previously Riot) has some evolving to with respect to UI. So, if gitter is as neat as I've heard others mention, then it seems like a win-win-win all around.

    I'll add also that I so enjoy the authenticity and genuineness from the blog posts that i find on matrix.org. The announcement is a good example: https://www.matrix.org/blog/2020/09/30/welcoming-gitter-to-matrix

    Congrats to both parties involved, and best of luck!!

    1 vote