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Nathan Berman has helped rescue Manhattan’s financial district from a “doom loop” by carving attractive living spaces from hulking buildings that once housed fields of cubicles
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- Title
- Can Turning Office Towers Into Apartments Save Downtowns?
- Authors
- The New Yorker
- Published
- Apr 29 2024
- Word count
- 5879 words
We’ve previously discussed the difficulties of converting office buildings to residential housing. The New Yorker has a profile of a developer who specializes in it:
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I stayed in an office building converted into a hotel in Amsterdam and hated every minute of it. Adding plumbing into an exisiting building can be challenging so they have some creative solutions. In this case the whole bathroom was an enclosed module with the water heater and cistern built into its floor. What this meant was very loud plumbing, very short showers and very uncomfortable toilet activities due to how audible it all was. Also the module was fairly flimsy and creaked a ton, making a night time bathroom trip sure to wake up your partner.
My coworker’s experience was even worse as their room faced towards another office building whose lights were on all night.
Similar story with insulation, offices and residential are just built different.
Speaks volumes.
I’m sure there’s better methods than what I experienced and I’m not against repurposing buildings, though from what I’ve seen I wouldn’t want to live there unless I really had no other options.
Given the state of Sydney’s housing supply there’s merit to implementing it here, however I expect it would be more likely to end up squeezing more service workers into substandard conditions than anything else.
The cheap residential apartments in New York aren’t much better than what you’re describing. Loud plumbing and creaky radiators are normal. Unmaintained, dingy bathrooms and cramped, unnavigable spaces as well.
Yeah, this tracks.
We have discussed the issues of translating old office buildings to housing before because primarily of how it wouldn't meet code.
This developer isn't doing something impressive and clever, he is knowingly ignoring code. Building codes exist for a reason and we should not applaud blatant ignoring of it.
He’s following code but ignoring something tenants commonly do, which is somewhat different. An apartment having a windowless room apparently isn’t a building code violation since you could use it as a home office.
Maybe there should be changes to how these apartments are advertised? This probably would end up with a UI where people search on the total number of bedrooms plus office rooms, instead of putting a 2 in the “number of bedrooms” field.
And a second question is whether anyone should do anything to keep tenants from violating the spirit of the building code by using an office as a bedroom. If you have one bedroom and two people on the lease, and they’re not in a relationship, maybe that’s a giveaway?
But my guess is that is that New York will have no enthusiasm for enforcing this on tenants, making housing more expensive for them, unless someone gets hurt by it.
How much would it actually matter if there’s a fire? I’m no fire safety expert. I can imagine ways it could be bad (if the bedroom is locked). But usually, when an apartment is small, it’s not hard to go to another room in the same apartment in an emergency.
Perhaps building codes are slightly too strict about tiny apartments, and under financial pressure from high rents, people have found a workaround.
Well yeah. It's not hard to get around any part of an apartment building in an emergency, unless those parts are on fire or full of smoke.
Smoke inhalation can knock you unconscious in 2 minutes. In the amount of time it takes you to wake up, realize what's going on, freak out, jump out of bed, open the door, run through your smoke filled living room, go into your smoke filled bedroom, where some other person(s) are doing the same thing, open the window and get out, there's a very good chance you've already hit the floor.
If the living room is on fire, you're not doing any of that. You're trapped, and all you can do is wait to die.
There's a very good reason fire codes exist, especially in a place like New York city.
Yep, that’s a bad scenario too. On the other hand, one would hope there are fire alarms going off well before it got that bad, and wouldn’t giant New York buildings have sprinklers?
Imagination and speculation by non-experts isn’t enough, and that’s why blind adherence to fire codes has a lot going for it for practical decision-making by non-experts. You’re not supposed to speculate. But when the question is whether the fire codes are over-strict in a certain case, it’s a circular argument.
It’s not up to us and it’s not something we’re likely to settle, either, so all I can say is that this common practice by tenants sounds bad, without knowing whether it really is.
I mean, the experts are the ones that designed the fire codes, so by definition they're not over strict according to experts in the field. NYC isn't unique in that requirement either. Most (maybe even all?) states require egress windows in bedrooms. The international building code also does. It's not just an arbitrary quirk of a specific jurisdiction.
Yes, but the argument that it’s the same internationally works both ways. International standards aren’t necessarily designed based on what’s safe in a specific situation. I think it would be interesting to hear what various experts have to say about about these new apartments in New York.
Why might it be important not to be overly strict? Because making less housing available has consequences, too: fewer people housed in any given building, and probably higher rents per person as a result. Relaxing the fire code can allow new building types like five-over-one housing, which has become quite popular in the US.
Estimates about building capacity have wrinkles too. A one bedroom apartment is fine for a couple, and maybe they’d like an office? Bunk beds are another way to fit more people in. A building code doesn’t say how people live. (There are other fire regulations for that.)
We’ve had a similar discussion recently about whether the US should allow single-stair apartments. I don’t think we can settle questions like that since they’re pretty technical, so I’m just pointing out that tradeoffs exist.
...international building code is an american code designed by americans for the american market: it evolved from an early twenty-first century merger of the disparate BOCA, southern, and uniform building codes and is rigorously updated every three years to address the contemporaneous development and construction industries in the united states...
...IBC follows evidence-based best practices and routinely culls cruft where appropriate...
In my profession, I see lots of stuff that's unnecessarily strict or over-complicated, even though it was written by experts!
What ends up happening is you have something designed for a different time, when the constraints and environment are different. And now some of those things no longer apply, but there's no appetite to go back and re-evaluate things since there is a risk of getting things wrong, and other high priority things to take care of.
I see the fire code in many circumstances being the same way. What's in it for these experts to re-evaluate the old code? Their name in the news when an incident occurs, even if that incident's probability was correctly calculated and below the agreed risk threshold?
Doesn't really change the smoke issue in many kinds of fires. Just because you're awake, wet, and there's loud noises doesn't mean you're going to instantly realize what you should do, navigate your way to the nearest window (in some other room), and make it out.
Mirror, for those hit by the paywall:
https://archive.ph/Rg8g2