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Donald Trump signs actions to pull US out of Paris climate agreement, intends to promote fossil fuels and mineral mining

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  1. tauon
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    Well, the day 1 nonsense continues/commences. Not that this wasn’t predictable, unfortunately, much like the other orders from today. I declare an “(inter)national overuse emergency” – consume...

    Well, the day 1 nonsense continues/commences. Not that this wasn’t predictable, unfortunately, much like the other orders from today.

    In his inauguration speech, Trump said he will declare a “national energy emergency,” though United States is producing more oil now than any other country at any other time.

    I declare an “(inter)national overuse emergency” – consume less, require less.

    He intends to streamline permitting and review regulations that “impose undue burdens on energy production and use, including mining and processing of non-fuel minerals,” according to a list of priorities from Trump’s press office.

    Translation: this reads like a/several environmental disasters just waiting to occur.

    He also intends to take action to end land and water leasing for wind energy, and undo the Biden administration’s actions that promote electric vehicles.

    More apathetic eyerolling

    33 votes
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    l_one
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    Honestly, at this point I wouldn't be surprised to see an executive order declaring that all solar panels are to be confiscated by the national guard and burned on a giant pile of coal, the ashes...

    Honestly, at this point I wouldn't be surprised to see an executive order declaring that all solar panels are to be confiscated by the national guard and burned on a giant pile of coal, the ashes of which would then be dumped into our major rivers and lakes to 'stick it to the dems' or some such.

    48 votes
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      tanglisha
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      I mean, it’s not very far off from what happened under his watch to the post office. As far as I know, the sorting machines haven’t been replaced. Mail is definitely slower than it used to be.

      I mean, it’s not very far off from what happened under his watch to the post office.

      As far as I know, the sorting machines haven’t been replaced. Mail is definitely slower than it used to be.

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      1. l_one
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        Ah, of course, the screwing-over of the US Postal Service. I'm guessing those machines / systems haven't been restored due to a combination of USPS budget sabotage and that DeJoy is still the...

        Ah, of course, the screwing-over of the US Postal Service.

        I'm guessing those machines / systems haven't been restored due to a combination of USPS budget sabotage and that DeJoy is still the Postmaster General.

        15 votes
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    Minori
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    I'm still a bit confused by Musk's support for this agenda. I completely buy the Nazi angle where he supports Trump for social reasons, but I don't understand why he isn't pushing for policies...

    I'm still a bit confused by Musk's support for this agenda. I completely buy the Nazi angle where he supports Trump for social reasons, but I don't understand why he isn't pushing for policies that benefit his companies. The best guess I've seen is he feels Tesla is stable, so now he's trying to pull up the ladder to limit competition.

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    1. nukeman
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      The hypothesis I’ve seen is that his companies are far enough ahead of most other automakers that Tesla won’t be affected by subsidies being removed. Personally, I feel that if all...

      The hypothesis I’ve seen is that his companies are far enough ahead of most other automakers that Tesla won’t be affected by subsidies being removed. Personally, I feel that if all protectionist/regulatory policies went away, and it was just business savvy, the only automakers left worldwide within ten years would be Tesla, maybe five or six Chinese Companies (including BYD and Geely), and a handful of niche sports car and luxury automakers. I dare say that Tesla is the only Western automaker that can compete with the Chinese right now.

      14 votes
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      D_E_Solomon
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      I suspect a lot of the conversation is going to happen behind closed doors. I also suspect that Trump is going to leave the EV credits alone but he's revoking the 50% target and charging fund....

      I suspect a lot of the conversation is going to happen behind closed doors. I also suspect that Trump is going to leave the EV credits alone but he's revoking the 50% target and charging fund. That lets Trump play to the base and say that he's keeping old cars, but still keep Elon in the mix. The slashing of the charging fund is also a net positive for Tesla since they already have their charging network built out.

      6 votes
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        Minori
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        I'm still upset that the charging fund got mired in red tape and not a single charger has been built last I checked.

        I'm still upset that the charging fund got mired in red tape and not a single charger has been built last I checked.

        3 votes
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          magico13
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          It's a slow process for sure, but it has started to ramp up. Per https://driveelectric.gov/news/q4-2024-nevi-quarterly-update And browsing their news feed it looks like there might be another 5 or...

          It's a slow process for sure, but it has started to ramp up. Per https://driveelectric.gov/news/q4-2024-nevi-quarterly-update

          Now, there are 126 public charging ports in operation across 31 NEVI stations in nine states, resulting in an 83% increase in open NEVI ports since last quarter. A total of 41 states have released at least their first round of solicitations. Of these states, 35 have issued conditional awards or put agreements in place for over 3,560 fast charging ports across more than 890 charging station locations.

          And browsing their news feed it looks like there might be another 5 or so that have opened since that update.

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            Minori
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            To be honest, having "conditional awards" and "agreements in place" for only 3560 chargers after almost four years and $7.5 Billion in funding is ridiculous. If that's all that gets built,...

            To be honest, having "conditional awards" and "agreements in place" for only 3560 chargers after almost four years and $7.5 Billion in funding is ridiculous. If that's all that gets built, Congress would've effectively allocated ~$2 million per charger.

            Many parts of the Federal government are woefully inefficient, and it makes it harder to support Democrat's funding priorities when nothing gets reasonably delivered. There have to be efforts to slash and reform the wasteful and obstructive policies which keep governments from delivering on their promises.

            8 votes
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              SteeeveTheSteve
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              Makes you wonder where the money goes when you see figures like that. 🤔

              Makes you wonder where the money goes when you see figures like that. 🤔

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              1. Minori
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                The actual answer is it doesn't get spent. That's why I said "allocated". What happens is Congress gives the Executive a budget and says "go do X thing with Y dollars" then it's all up to the...

                The actual answer is it doesn't get spent. That's why I said "allocated". What happens is Congress gives the Executive a budget and says "go do X thing with Y dollars" then it's all up to the Executive to execute the policy. When the allocated funds aren't used, you get things like "unspent COVID funds" and the like. In this specific case, Biden's administration only spent a few million. Congress may repurpose and reallocate the unused funds in the future. Governance is complicated.

                5 votes
  4. [3]
    crulife
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    Does it kinda look like no action has had any consequence for rising CO2 levels? https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide One would...

    Does it kinda look like no action has had any consequence for rising CO2 levels? https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide

    One would assume that some sort of a bump would occur due to things like the Paris agreement, pandemic, war in Ukraine, or EV vehicles coming to the market, but the curve seems completely unaffected by anything.

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    1. papasquat
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      The world is extremely large, so any event would have to be absolutely massive to see visually on a graph. The Paris agreement, EV rollouts, and the pandemic are large events, but they're...

      The world is extremely large, so any event would have to be absolutely massive to see visually on a graph. The Paris agreement, EV rollouts, and the pandemic are large events, but they're countered by rapid industrialization in developing countries, increased consumption in developed countries and the increased fossil fuels demands of all of those things. The war in Ukraine is a tiny, minor blip that would be extremely difficult to detect on the scale of the entire world.

      The Paris agreement is also very mild, and while it should have a measurable effect over long time periods, it won't be very dramatic, even if it wasn't cancelled out by all of the other forces.

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    2. SteeeveTheSteve
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      It's because emissions are increasing elsewhere. Europe and friends are only a small part of the world and it would take a worldwide disaster far exceeding a pandemic to register on that type of...

      It's because emissions are increasing elsewhere.

      Europe and friends are only a small part of the world and it would take a worldwide disaster far exceeding a pandemic to register on that type of graph (edit: the one at the top of the page in your link). This graph is interesting though.

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