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Los Angeles To Phase Out 3 Natural Gas Plants, Replace Them With Clean Energy

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    dubteedub Link
    This is great news, particularly considering that the US EPA put out a report this week that US methane emissions rose by .5% in 2017, the second measured increase in two years. Link to report -...

    This is great news, particularly considering that the US EPA put out a report this week that US methane emissions rose by .5% in 2017, the second measured increase in two years.

    Link to report - https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2019-02/documents/us-ghg-inventory-2019-chapter-3-energy.pdf

    A recent study by the American Geophysical Union which warned that methane reductions from the oil and gas industry were "essential" to meeting global climate goals.

    Link to study - https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2018GB006009

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      alyaza Link Parent
      at this rate, california is almost literally going to have to set the standards for the rest of america on this issue and then drag the rest of the country toward those standards singlehandedly.

      at this rate, california is almost literally going to have to set the standards for the rest of america on this issue and then drag the rest of the country toward those standards singlehandedly.

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        dubteedub Link Parent
        I would say that California is not just dragging the rest of the country forward on climate change and the environment, but the whole world. They are such a clear leader beyond almost any other...

        I would say that California is not just dragging the rest of the country forward on climate change and the environment, but the whole world.

        They are such a clear leader beyond almost any other government I can think of and they even hosted a global climate summit last September that placed the state on par with major world governments.

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          alyaza Link Parent
          i guess that's one of the perks of having an economy that rivals many countries despite only being a nation's first level political entity! i suspect the fairly loose nature of american states to...

          They are such a clear leader beyond almost any other government I can think of and they even hosted a global climate summit last September that placed the state on par with major world governments.

          i guess that's one of the perks of having an economy that rivals many countries despite only being a nation's first level political entity! i suspect the fairly loose nature of american states to the government (and the fact that the democrats run pretty much everything major in the state nowadays) has also really allowed california to set policies that would be difficult to make reality anywhere else in the world. after all, there's no need (or at least a lesser need) to worry about things like whether or not you're putting yourself at a strategic or economic disadvantage by making sweeping climate reforms when you're under someone else's national umbrella.

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          1. dubteedub Link Parent
            That is certainly a fair point. I mean they obviously deal with things like immigration regularly, but yeah, they don't have to engage in all the other broader security concerns that a national...

            there's no need (or at least a lesser need) to worry about things like whether or not you're putting yourself at a strategic or economic disadvantage by making sweeping climate reforms when you're under someone else's national umbrella.

            That is certainly a fair point. I mean they obviously deal with things like immigration regularly, but yeah, they don't have to engage in all the other broader security concerns that a national government would.

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    CrazyOtter Link
    About 3.4GW of gas generation in total that is being phased out. I'm interested to see what they replace it with. Gas is often used to cover peaks in demand in addition to providing baseload. I...

    About 3.4GW of gas generation in total that is being phased out.

    I'm interested to see what they replace it with. Gas is often used to cover peaks in demand in addition to providing baseload. I guess they will look towards more solar power (wind probably not great in LA) and storage along with increased imports from other parts of California.

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      harrygibus Link Parent
      The consultants suggested they build three new gas plants to replace them but the city is hoping to head in the other direction. I heard about one part of an alternative scheme, a plan to convert...

      The consultants suggested they build three new gas plants to replace them but the city is hoping to head in the other direction. I heard about one part of an alternative scheme, a plan to convert the Hoover dam to a hydro battery that would pump water into the dam during the day and generate with it on cloudy days and at night.

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      1. CrazyOtter Link Parent
        That sounds ambitious! I guess they would have to buy that power independently since they're not part of CAISO (at least last time I checked). It's tough to support that many people in such a...

        That sounds ambitious! I guess they would have to buy that power independently since they're not part of CAISO (at least last time I checked). It's tough to support that many people in such a small space without importing.

        Map of electricity regions of California.
        https://www.rtoinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/EIM-Map-2017-Nov-CAISO-FI.jpg