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    moonbathers
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    Premise one: I don't think it's impossible for civilization to be sustainable, but it certainly isn't right now. Premise two: That makes sense to me. Premise three: What does widespread violence...

    Premise one: I don't think it's impossible for civilization to be sustainable, but it certainly isn't right now.

    Premise two: That makes sense to me.

    Premise three: What does widespread violence mean in this case? I know I'm an optimist but I don't violence is necessarily inherent to civilization.

    Premise four: I do kinda see that there's a hierarchy in civilization, but I don't know if it's necessary.

    Premise five: I think this is true and I hate it.

    I like to think that a sustainable society that's prosperous for everyone is possible. I don't think it'll happen in my lifetime but maybe someday.

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      stephen
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      At this point in the game, I fear it has come down to one of two possibilities: accept the seemingly irrational idea that a just, sustainable society is possible and attainable, or the worst case...

      I don't think it'll happen in my lifetime but maybe someday.

      At this point in the game, I fear it has come down to one of two possibilities: accept the seemingly irrational idea that a just, sustainable society is possible and attainable, or the worst case climate collapse scenarios will come true.

      That is to say that it is we who are alive and aware now who must do this work. Saying "I don't think it will happen in my lifetime" (presuming a general "my," so not you personall) is to say someone else will do it in the future. And that's not the timetable we are working with here. We have til 2030 to affect radical changes.

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        moonbathers
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        That's fair that pessimism will encourage people to not do anything. Even though I think things are going to get a lot worse in the future, I am trying to help. I've just lost hope that things are...

        That's fair that pessimism will encourage people to not do anything. Even though I think things are going to get a lot worse in the future, I am trying to help. I've just lost hope that things are going to turn out ok.

        1. stephen
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          I have too. But we don't really have the luxury of wallowing. Especially if you live in a G7 country which are the most intense polluters. Things aren't ok now and they weren't in the past. We're...

          I've just lost hope that things are going to turn out ok.

          I have too. But we don't really have the luxury of wallowing. Especially if you live in a G7 country which are the most intense polluters. Things aren't ok now and they weren't in the past. We're mucking along just fine i suppose despite that. So, if it goes to shit at least it won't be anything new.