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Why tips won. They’re outdated. They’re discriminatory. And they aren’t going anywhere.

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  1. [5]
    vakieh
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    Hi America, it's the rest of the world here, where much like your fucked education, health, banking, gun law, and other such institutions you claim to be 'inherent' and 'not possible to do...

    Why Tips Won

    Hi America, it's the rest of the world here, where much like your fucked education, health, banking, gun law, and other such institutions you claim to be 'inherent' and 'not possible to do without' we manage without tipping with no issues whatsoever.

    Pull your finger out of your collective arse and show us why you're supposedly Great.

    7 votes
    1. rickdg
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      But are we Free with a capital F?

      But are we Free with a capital F?

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      elcuello
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      Well if you read the article you would know that it's just not that simple. I agree that tipping is frustrating for non-American people visiting and borderline weird but it's ingrained in their...

      Well if you read the article you would know that it's just not that simple. I agree that tipping is frustrating for non-American people visiting and borderline weird but it's ingrained in their culture an spawn much more than just "good service". I found the "empowerment" of the customer an interesting fact I haven't thought about. The fact that staff left the restaurants because they could make more money elsewhere isn't surprising but could be countered if the no-tipping attempt weren't limited to a few places. I'm not against tipping in general but the lack of transparency of the actual price you pay at the end makes this "system" off-putting to me.

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        vakieh
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        Except I have read the article, and it is just that simple - a lack of collective willpower to make any meaningful change. Things like changing the law to disallow using tips to supplement...

        Except I have read the article, and it is just that simple - a lack of collective willpower to make any meaningful change. Things like changing the law to disallow using tips to supplement 'minimum' wage (is it minimum or isn't it?) as well as having a high enough minimum wage that the cost of meals went up everywhere would do wonders for gutting the tipping culture.

        Funnily enough, those other places in the world I'm talking about do have those laws on the books.

        1 vote
        1. elcuello
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          I just think since the push back seems so severe that a law before a change of attitude would make it even worse. But I agree that the raise of the minimum wage is a given for starters.

          I just think since the push back seems so severe that a law before a change of attitude would make it even worse. But I agree that the raise of the minimum wage is a given for starters.

  2. Greg
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    I'm surprised it doesn't mention tax anywhere. When underreporting is widespread, and to some degree tacitly accepted, it's easy for the tipped position to be more attractive than the increased...

    I'm surprised it doesn't mention tax anywhere. When underreporting is widespread, and to some degree tacitly accepted, it's easy for the tipped position to be more attractive than the increased fixed wage even if they're nominally paid the same.

    4 votes