Fantastic. I can only hope that 50 years from now, all our meat, dairy, and other animal-based foods will be lab grown. It would be a great step forward for our planet.
Fantastic. I can only hope that 50 years from now, all our meat, dairy, and other animal-based foods will be lab grown.
It would be a giant step off our planet. If we lab grow all of our food, that's air, water, feed, space that we don't have to assign to growing food on whatever starcraft we build.
It would be a giant step off our planet. If we lab grow all of our food, that's air, water, feed, space that we don't have to assign to growing food on whatever starcraft we build.
You can lab grow vegetables, too, in less space than arable land or hydroponics would require. And I wanted to link it back to the topic, which after all is dairy milk.
You can lab grow vegetables, too, in less space than arable land or hydroponics would require. And I wanted to link it back to the topic, which after all is dairy milk.
I'd only started hearing about them, but the principle is the exact same... as long as they get UV light, nutrients, and hydration, it should be simple.
I'd only started hearing about them, but the principle is the exact same... as long as they get UV light, nutrients, and hydration, it should be simple.
I would simply not make cattle part of the food tradition in space. If we're already slipping the surly bonds of Earth we will need to make plenty of radical lifestyle changes. It would probably...
I would simply not make cattle part of the food tradition in space. If we're already slipping the surly bonds of Earth we will need to make plenty of radical lifestyle changes. It would probably be more pleasant to invest new things to meet those needs within those constraints than trying to create weird simulacra of stuff that people won't even remember after a generation or so.
That's also a valid discussion, but since this is part of the "lab grow dairy milk" discussion, I wanted to at least keep it within that framework. There's far more reasons to look forward to lab...
That's also a valid discussion, but since this is part of the "lab grow dairy milk" discussion, I wanted to at least keep it within that framework. There's far more reasons to look forward to lab grown food than just animal meats (although if it's an option, I doubt we'd abandon them.)
It'll be interesting when people start engineering amino acids into novel foods and flavors instead of merely attempting to mimic existing ones. We'll be in for some truly unique and wild...
It'll be interesting when people start engineering amino acids into novel foods and flavors instead of merely attempting to mimic existing ones. We'll be in for some truly unique and wild molecular gastronomy then.
I think it's more important to have those things when it's still expensive. In the long run, as they get the processes dialed in, plant based substitutes for animal products should be way cheaper,...
I think it's more important to have those things when it's still expensive. In the long run, as they get the processes dialed in, plant based substitutes for animal products should be way cheaper, probably an order of magnitude less than the unsubsidized prices of meat and dairy just from trophic efficiency and reduced hassle. I actually expect substitutes would already be cheaper if not for animal agriculture subsidies, considering they aren't a whole lot more now.
You mean like meat is right now? Meat is expensive, even as in the USA in 2019 the USA paid $673,865,626 in livestock subsidies. If that two-thirds of a billion dollars in subsidies was turned to...
You mean like meat is right now? Meat is expensive, even as in the USA in 2019 the USA paid $673,865,626 in livestock subsidies. If that two-thirds of a billion dollars in subsidies was turned to lab-grown meat, it'd be cheaper instead.
Yes, the cost would have to be closer to what actual meat costs, but not necessarily cheaper. Same for other kinds of protein. I'm not exactly sure why you're arguing here. I think artificial...
Yes, the cost would have to be closer to what actual meat costs, but not necessarily cheaper.
Same for other kinds of protein.
I'm not exactly sure why you're arguing here.
I think artificial protein is likely in our future, I'm just saying there are some steps to overcome.
You don't need to counter with such a fervent rhetoric. We're on the same side here ;)
Maybe, if their prices come down enough. Industrial medical facilities are more expensive than farmland. So far, meat substitutes have been pretty expensive, and I’m guessing those costs have...
Maybe, if their prices come down enough. Industrial medical facilities are more expensive than farmland. So far, meat substitutes have been pretty expensive, and I’m guessing those costs have environmental damage associated with them, somehow.
Fantastic. I can only hope that 50 years from now, all our meat, dairy, and other animal-based foods will be lab grown.
It would be a great step forward for our planet.
It would be a giant step off our planet. If we lab grow all of our food, that's air, water, feed, space that we don't have to assign to growing food on whatever starcraft we build.
That’s assuming we can find a way to do it in a small enough space and at an economical enough price that it’s doable…in space.
Smaller than hauling cattle (and the feed for cattle, and the means to grow that feed) up with us? I don't see how it could be bigger.
I was more thinking prepackaged/long term storage friendly foods, not full animals, a la The Martian.
You can lab grow vegetables, too, in less space than arable land or hydroponics would require. And I wanted to link it back to the topic, which after all is dairy milk.
Really? I’ve never heard of lab grown vegetables. That would be amazing. You could build up instead of out and potentially create a super dense farm!
I'd only started hearing about them, but the principle is the exact same... as long as they get UV light, nutrients, and hydration, it should be simple.
I would simply not make cattle part of the food tradition in space. If we're already slipping the surly bonds of Earth we will need to make plenty of radical lifestyle changes. It would probably be more pleasant to invest new things to meet those needs within those constraints than trying to create weird simulacra of stuff that people won't even remember after a generation or so.
That's also a valid discussion, but since this is part of the "lab grow dairy milk" discussion, I wanted to at least keep it within that framework. There's far more reasons to look forward to lab grown food than just animal meats (although if it's an option, I doubt we'd abandon them.)
It'll be interesting when people start engineering amino acids into novel foods and flavors instead of merely attempting to mimic existing ones. We'll be in for some truly unique and wild molecular gastronomy then.
Oh yes. I'm looking forward to when we start blending foods. Who couldn't go for a fresh orange-pineapple? Or a cinnamon-apple?
Ideally, when it gets cheap enough, worldwide incentives and tax breaks should kick in.
I think it's more important to have those things when it's still expensive. In the long run, as they get the processes dialed in, plant based substitutes for animal products should be way cheaper, probably an order of magnitude less than the unsubsidized prices of meat and dairy just from trophic efficiency and reduced hassle. I actually expect substitutes would already be cheaper if not for animal agriculture subsidies, considering they aren't a whole lot more now.
It's just that if they're too expensive it won't be economically viable even with subsidies that's all.
You mean like meat is right now? Meat is expensive, even as in the USA in 2019 the USA paid $673,865,626 in livestock subsidies. If that two-thirds of a billion dollars in subsidies was turned to lab-grown meat, it'd be cheaper instead.
Yes, the cost would have to be closer to what actual meat costs, but not necessarily cheaper.
Same for other kinds of protein.
I'm not exactly sure why you're arguing here.
I think artificial protein is likely in our future, I'm just saying there are some steps to overcome.
You don't need to counter with such a fervent rhetoric. We're on the same side here ;)
Maybe, if their prices come down enough. Industrial medical facilities are more expensive than farmland. So far, meat substitutes have been pretty expensive, and I’m guessing those costs have environmental damage associated with them, somehow.