I've been vegetarian my whole adult life and it was the moral/ethical aspect that swayed that decision. I personally have no issue with lab grown meat and I'm pretty sure I'd eat lab grown bacon...
I've been vegetarian my whole adult life and it was the moral/ethical aspect that swayed that decision. I personally have no issue with lab grown meat and I'm pretty sure I'd eat lab grown bacon if the taste is what I remember and maybe the occasional burger.
I know lots of vegetarians/vegans who wouldn't eat it though. Some are so revolted at the thought of meat they can't even eat veggie burgers.,I can understand why the author says her stomach turned but I find her stance on veggie burgers strange.
But even the best veggie burgers aren't burgers. They're sandwiches with ingredients shaped into a patty. Calling them a "burger" works as a shorthand for how they're prepared and served, but it's hardly a descriptor for how they taste.
So what? I've never known anyone become vegetarian for the taste. I've read that cooked meat contains chemical compounds that aren't possible with plants. Seems like she's hasn't really come to terms with that fact.
However I'd never switch because I think the health benefits of eating a plant based diet is superior and I don't think lab grown meat will change that.
That doesn't mean that we can't care about taste. She is right that most veggie burgers are pretty lame. I put most of that on the restaurants serving them. If they consider it to be a stand in...
So what? I've never known anyone become vegetarian for the taste.
That doesn't mean that we can't care about taste. She is right that most veggie burgers are pretty lame. I put most of that on the restaurants serving them. If they consider it to be a stand in for meat and serve it the same as a regular burger then its often terrible, if they treat it as a sandwich and build the flavors based off the patty it can be great. I love food and flavors and I don't think that I should accept that veggie burgers suck because I don't want t eat animals. I am sure that there are chemicals in proper meat that can't be reproduced and thus plant based meat will never be quite the same, but I don't see that as a reason to not try to get as close as we can.
I'm really, really conflicted about meat simulants. As mentioned elsewhere, there's a substantial tradition of what real meat means, versus a personal desire to eschew meat products. I usually...
I'm really, really conflicted about meat simulants.
As mentioned elsewhere, there's a substantial tradition of what real meat means, versus a personal desire to eschew meat products.
I usually manage about 5 meatless days a week, but can't yet concede that all meat consumption is intrinsically evil enough to make the lifestyle change permanent.
In spite of my previous words of empathy, I have a minor hate-on for chefs who insist that their customers are wrong for giving up meat or having other non-traditional food requirements. The...
In spite of my previous words of empathy, I have a minor hate-on for chefs who insist that their customers are wrong for giving up meat or having other non-traditional food requirements. The chef's professional tradition is not a justification for demanding that others cling to an unsustainable, hazardous, or cruel diet.
I never cared for burgers or any ground meat in the first place - I made the unforced error of culturing a piece in a microbiology class and got permanently squicked out. I might try a better ground meat-alike that hasn't been through all the potential exposures to animal feces and other contaminants that get redistributed in processing. Meanwhile, there are vegetarian options for "ground meat" (TVP, falafel, Gardein, tempeh, ground nuts, etc.) that I find satisfying enough.
I'm more interested for my partner's sake. My diet is a compromise in part because he finds meatless dishes completely unfulfilling without the taste of animal protein. I'll confess the main reason I'm not going full vegan is because the quality, cooking properties, and range of flavors in vegan cheese substitutes are... I'm being polite when I say they're lacking. So I get the idea that a craving for a particular taste can be a major obstacle to adopting the dietary change.
I'm usually stuck eating out with others when I'm on the road. It's still very difficult to find an acceptable variety of vegetarian meals in popular restaurants and airports, let alone vegan. I...
I'm usually stuck eating out with others when I'm on the road. It's still very difficult to find an acceptable variety of vegetarian meals in popular restaurants and airports, let alone vegan. I tried eating strict vegan for a while, and basically wound up starving on salad bars though a few trips. Based on what I know of kitchens, there's a critical availability problem - if it doesn't come in an economical food-service package, or in a frozen-prepped version, you're not going to see it in chain restaurants, even at the high end of the market. [Really, just don't get the vegan patty sandwich at Subway.]
At home I can make dishes, including vegan "cheese", that don't leave me missing anything, but they're pretty labor-intensive. [Grilled king oyster mushroom is amazingly meaty, even though it doesn't taste like a specific animal protein.] I welcomed even the pricier meat substitutes because they're more convenient and still less expensive than eating out. Even if the Impossible Burger costs as much as or more than meat, it's potentially worthwhile as another option and something I can share at a meal with the omnivores.
I get a little overzealous, and assume anything not specifically sold as vegan (and sometimes things that are), like sides in steakhouses or chain restaurants, is liberally slathered with butter,...
I get a little overzealous, and assume anything not specifically sold as vegan (and sometimes things that are), like sides in steakhouses or chain restaurants, is liberally slathered with butter, flavored with meat stock, and/or cooked in the same pans as the meat.
Salad is the safe choice. I can always claim I'm dieting if the other diners insist that I share, rather than explaining and "shaming" them with veganism. When I'm eating out on my own, I'm fine, but I'm choosy about restaurants.
I was at an event not long ago and they served these to some vegetarian people. They're GF too, I believe. When I looked at it I was surprised at how much it looked like bloody red meat. I was...
I was at an event not long ago and they served these to some vegetarian people. They're GF too, I believe. When I looked at it I was surprised at how much it looked like bloody red meat. I was almost not going to eat it since I thought they mixed things up.
For me, I don't want a veggie burger that reminds me of red meat. I want something that I can eat like a burger that tastes good. That's it. I love the Amy's Sonoma burger.
I'm a definite meat-eater. I can't recall a single day in my adult life that I haven't had meat of some sort. The impossible burger intrigues me. I don't know that I've read a single bad review of...
I'm a definite meat-eater. I can't recall a single day in my adult life that I haven't had meat of some sort. The impossible burger intrigues me. I don't know that I've read a single bad review of it yet. This could just be selection bias; the people who eat it are much more likely to speak positively of it. But I hope this isn't the case.
Does anyone know how well production of this is supposed to scale up?
I've been vegetarian my whole adult life and it was the moral/ethical aspect that swayed that decision. I personally have no issue with lab grown meat and I'm pretty sure I'd eat lab grown bacon if the taste is what I remember and maybe the occasional burger.
I know lots of vegetarians/vegans who wouldn't eat it though. Some are so revolted at the thought of meat they can't even eat veggie burgers.,I can understand why the author says her stomach turned but I find her stance on veggie burgers strange.
So what? I've never known anyone become vegetarian for the taste. I've read that cooked meat contains chemical compounds that aren't possible with plants. Seems like she's hasn't really come to terms with that fact.
However I'd never switch because I think the health benefits of eating a plant based diet is superior and I don't think lab grown meat will change that.
That doesn't mean that we can't care about taste. She is right that most veggie burgers are pretty lame. I put most of that on the restaurants serving them. If they consider it to be a stand in for meat and serve it the same as a regular burger then its often terrible, if they treat it as a sandwich and build the flavors based off the patty it can be great. I love food and flavors and I don't think that I should accept that veggie burgers suck because I don't want t eat animals. I am sure that there are chemicals in proper meat that can't be reproduced and thus plant based meat will never be quite the same, but I don't see that as a reason to not try to get as close as we can.
I'm really, really conflicted about meat simulants.
As mentioned elsewhere, there's a substantial tradition of what real meat means, versus a personal desire to eschew meat products.
I usually manage about 5 meatless days a week, but can't yet concede that all meat consumption is intrinsically evil enough to make the lifestyle change permanent.
In spite of my previous words of empathy, I have a minor hate-on for chefs who insist that their customers are wrong for giving up meat or having other non-traditional food requirements. The chef's professional tradition is not a justification for demanding that others cling to an unsustainable, hazardous, or cruel diet.
I never cared for burgers or any ground meat in the first place - I made the unforced error of culturing a piece in a microbiology class and got permanently squicked out. I might try a better ground meat-alike that hasn't been through all the potential exposures to animal feces and other contaminants that get redistributed in processing. Meanwhile, there are vegetarian options for "ground meat" (TVP, falafel, Gardein, tempeh, ground nuts, etc.) that I find satisfying enough.
I'm more interested for my partner's sake. My diet is a compromise in part because he finds meatless dishes completely unfulfilling without the taste of animal protein. I'll confess the main reason I'm not going full vegan is because the quality, cooking properties, and range of flavors in vegan cheese substitutes are... I'm being polite when I say they're lacking. So I get the idea that a craving for a particular taste can be a major obstacle to adopting the dietary change.
I'm usually stuck eating out with others when I'm on the road. It's still very difficult to find an acceptable variety of vegetarian meals in popular restaurants and airports, let alone vegan. I tried eating strict vegan for a while, and basically wound up starving on salad bars though a few trips. Based on what I know of kitchens, there's a critical availability problem - if it doesn't come in an economical food-service package, or in a frozen-prepped version, you're not going to see it in chain restaurants, even at the high end of the market. [Really, just don't get the vegan patty sandwich at Subway.]
At home I can make dishes, including vegan "cheese", that don't leave me missing anything, but they're pretty labor-intensive. [Grilled king oyster mushroom is amazingly meaty, even though it doesn't taste like a specific animal protein.] I welcomed even the pricier meat substitutes because they're more convenient and still less expensive than eating out. Even if the Impossible Burger costs as much as or more than meat, it's potentially worthwhile as another option and something I can share at a meal with the omnivores.
I get a little overzealous, and assume anything not specifically sold as vegan (and sometimes things that are), like sides in steakhouses or chain restaurants, is liberally slathered with butter, flavored with meat stock, and/or cooked in the same pans as the meat.
Salad is the safe choice. I can always claim I'm dieting if the other diners insist that I share, rather than explaining and "shaming" them with veganism. When I'm eating out on my own, I'm fine, but I'm choosy about restaurants.
I was at an event not long ago and they served these to some vegetarian people. They're GF too, I believe. When I looked at it I was surprised at how much it looked like bloody red meat. I was almost not going to eat it since I thought they mixed things up.
For me, I don't want a veggie burger that reminds me of red meat. I want something that I can eat like a burger that tastes good. That's it. I love the Amy's Sonoma burger.
I'm a definite meat-eater. I can't recall a single day in my adult life that I haven't had meat of some sort. The impossible burger intrigues me. I don't know that I've read a single bad review of it yet. This could just be selection bias; the people who eat it are much more likely to speak positively of it. But I hope this isn't the case.
Does anyone know how well production of this is supposed to scale up?