That's great, and it seems to be working wonderfully. And the people love it. If only there were a way to go "How do you like your socialism?" without them burning the place down, because this is...
That's great, and it seems to be working wonderfully. And the people love it. If only there were a way to go "How do you like your socialism?" without them burning the place down, because this is honestly beautiful for so many reasons.
Deep Red America loves socialism. They just don't like that "undeserving people" have access to it as well. It's Herrenvolk Socialism, and the Herrenvolk is a higher priority for them than the...
Deep Red America loves socialism. They just don't like that "undeserving people" have access to it as well.
It's Herrenvolk Socialism, and the Herrenvolk is a higher priority for them than the socialism is when it comes to national level politics. So they're willing to strike devil's bargains with "small government" laissez faire types.
I wonder what would happen if you told them their farmer co-op was formed by socialists and that co-ops are an essential tool for workers' economic enfranchisement.
I wonder what would happen if you told them their farmer co-op was formed by socialists and that co-ops are an essential tool for workers' economic enfranchisement.
Yes, clearly. I was being flippant in my response to highlight the logical leap the mayor was making. He's arguing that any expansion of government services to fulfill a citizen need can be...
Yes, clearly. I was being flippant in my response to highlight the logical leap the mayor was making. He's arguing that any expansion of government services to fulfill a citizen need can be shrugged off as not a change from the status quo, because it already fulfills some needs. When he's asking questions like:
“Should [local governments] be in private enterprise all the time?” he mused. “Maybe not. But for situations like this, yeah, definitely I believe they should.”
he's already acting socialist, he's just working within the acceptable political vocabulary for his region.
I think it's something we shouldn't vocalize for at least another generation. Most people who fear socialism are afraid not of what it is but what it represents and entails. These people grew up...
If only there was a way to go "How do you like your socialism?"
I think it's something we shouldn't vocalize for at least another generation. Most people who fear socialism are afraid not of what it is but what it represents and entails. These people grew up in a world so diametrically opposed to socialism that even mentioning the word "socialism" instills a fear of ostracization; to a group of people who value community the most this is terrifying. Furthermore, they can't even their hate for socialism being fear based. Community is so deeply engraved into their conscious and public psyche they reflect fear outwards as hate.
Furthermore, I think the best way to get people onboard with socialism is exactly like how this grocery store turned out. It's like hiding a child's medicine in sugar.
That's assuming you are talking to sane people who can be swayed by logic. There are already plenty of ur-socialist programs in the US, none of which have helped these people change their minds....
That's assuming you are talking to sane people who can be swayed by logic. There are already plenty of ur-socialist programs in the US, none of which have helped these people change their minds. We would have better luck rebranding socialism under a different term.
I debated whether to post this, but in the end decided to go ahead. I'm about to be judgy. Editting the first sentence: This article and the response to it disgusts me. We're talking about people...
I debated whether to post this, but in the end decided to go ahead. I'm about to be judgy.
Editting the first sentence: The response to this news disgusts me This article and the response to it disgusts me.
We're talking about people who need food.
Who they voted for should not have even been in the article.
Trying to shame them for their disconnect is shameful.
Praising them and their town for solving a very real problem is what we should be doing. Praise goes further than shame in bringing about real change in people.
Let the right shame them if they want, but it shouldn't be us.
That's great, and it seems to be working wonderfully. And the people love it. If only there were a way to go "How do you like your socialism?" without them burning the place down, because this is honestly beautiful for so many reasons.
Deep Red America loves socialism. They just don't like that "undeserving people" have access to it as well.
It's Herrenvolk Socialism, and the Herrenvolk is a higher priority for them than the socialism is when it comes to national level politics. So they're willing to strike devil's bargains with "small government" laissez faire types.
I wonder what would happen if you told them their farmer co-op was formed by socialists and that co-ops are an essential tool for workers' economic enfranchisement.
Oh, but you see:
Because they aren't socialists, what they do isn't socialism. Easy peasy, problem solved.
You don't have to be a socialist for it to be socialism.
Yes, clearly. I was being flippant in my response to highlight the logical leap the mayor was making. He's arguing that any expansion of government services to fulfill a citizen need can be shrugged off as not a change from the status quo, because it already fulfills some needs. When he's asking questions like:
he's already acting socialist, he's just working within the acceptable political vocabulary for his region.
I think it's something we shouldn't vocalize for at least another generation. Most people who fear socialism are afraid not of what it is but what it represents and entails. These people grew up in a world so diametrically opposed to socialism that even mentioning the word "socialism" instills a fear of ostracization; to a group of people who value community the most this is terrifying. Furthermore, they can't even their hate for socialism being fear based. Community is so deeply engraved into their conscious and public psyche they reflect fear outwards as hate.
Furthermore, I think the best way to get people onboard with socialism is exactly like how this grocery store turned out. It's like hiding a child's medicine in sugar.
The needle doesn't start moving until you start vocalizing it. The process of making these things acceptable takes time and exposure.
That's assuming you are talking to sane people who can be swayed by logic. There are already plenty of ur-socialist programs in the US, none of which have helped these people change their minds. We would have better luck rebranding socialism under a different term.
I debated whether to post this, but in the end decided to go ahead. I'm about to be judgy.
Editting the first sentence:
The response to this news disgusts meThis article and the response to it disgusts me.We're talking about people who need food.
Who they voted for should not have even been in the article.
Trying to shame them for their disconnect is shameful.
Praising them and their town for solving a very real problem is what we should be doing. Praise goes further than shame in bringing about real change in people.
Let the right shame them if they want, but it shouldn't be us.