31 votes

If the Xbox Ally is the future of Xbox, Microsoft is in trouble

22 comments

  1. [13]
    kingofsnake
    Link
    They don't know what they're doing anymore and I love it. Collect all the studios, have them do nothing, release bunk hardware and flounder in your excess.

    They don't know what they're doing anymore and I love it.

    Collect all the studios, have them do nothing, release bunk hardware and flounder in your excess.

    25 votes
    1. [9]
      KapteinB
      Link Parent
      I'm not sure they ever knew what they're doing. ME, Vista, 8, Phone, Internet Explorer, Bob, Clippy, Kinect... Microsoft keeps making these massive blunders, and yet they always remain one of the...

      I'm not sure they ever knew what they're doing. ME, Vista, 8, Phone, Internet Explorer, Bob, Clippy, Kinect... Microsoft keeps making these massive blunders, and yet they always remain one of the worlds most valuable and profitable companies.

      9 votes
      1. [3]
        raze2012
        Link Parent
        At the end of the day, they power a lot of corporate enterprise servers and software, so th never truly be in the red. The consumer outings are a side quest in comparison That's prerty much how a...

        At the end of the day, they power a lot of corporate enterprise servers and software, so th never truly be in the red. The consumer outings are a side quest in comparison

        That's prerty much how a lot of these trillionaires operate. The have one or 2 huge cash cows they keep handy and use that success to leverage loans/tax breaks so they can throw someone else's money at whatever trend pops up. Or to acquire what is already successful.

        I legitimately don't think any of those trillionaires have made their own, new, homegrown profit center in the last 15 years. It's relying on their one big break and buying up anything else they could find.

        14 votes
        1. thumbsupemoji
          Link Parent
          you're absolutely right but i just cannot imagine an entire branch of a global consumer entertainment industry, employing thousands, with billions in revenue, being just a side gig for the...

          you're absolutely right but i just cannot imagine an entire branch of a global consumer entertainment industry, employing thousands, with billions in revenue, being just a side gig for the SAaS/enterprise backbone that is Windows For Corporate—I really believe that's why Microsoft, Adobe, etc don't go after pirates as much, because really they're just training you to use their software at your job one day, where the company is paying them 1000x as much for 999 more license codes.

          3 votes
        2. gary
          Link Parent
          Microsoft's Azure launched Feb 2010 so technically outside the 15 years, but they grew it significantly for a long period of time and it's now a very profitable business for them. Apple's iPad...

          Microsoft's Azure launched Feb 2010 so technically outside the 15 years, but they grew it significantly for a long period of time and it's now a very profitable business for them. Apple's iPad launched April 2010 so also just outside the 15 years, but its sales are quite large. Apple Watch came out 2015, AirPods in 2016, and Apple Silicon in 2020. For the other $1 trillion+ companies, I can't really think of much outside of their original core products.

          1 vote
      2. [4]
        kingofsnake
        Link Parent
        It's that sweet sweet enterprise market, which is ironic given that the Office suite runs more poorly than it did 10 years ago.

        It's that sweet sweet enterprise market, which is ironic given that the Office suite runs more poorly than it did 10 years ago.

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          Lonan
          Link Parent
          At work we've all had to upgrade our laptops just because Teams started running super slowly after a particular forced update.

          At work we've all had to upgrade our laptops just because Teams started running super slowly after a particular forced update.

          3 votes
          1. kingofsnake
            Link Parent
            Oh yeah, and don't get me started on what the NEW Teams was. I still don't know why it installed the old and new teams at the same time. Get your rollouts sorted, right?

            Oh yeah, and don't get me started on what the NEW Teams was. I still don't know why it installed the old and new teams at the same time. Get your rollouts sorted, right?

            4 votes
        2. imperator
          Link Parent
          It's definitely bloated probably a lot of legacy code they refuse to drop for backwards compatibility. Excel had some some absolutely amazing improvements "recently". But it's definitely a bit...

          It's definitely bloated probably a lot of legacy code they refuse to drop for backwards compatibility.

          Excel had some some absolutely amazing improvements "recently". But it's definitely a bit sluggish.

          1 vote
      3. Akir
        Link Parent
        Turns out you can get away with a lot when you’ve got a monopoly. But really, most of those “failures” were pretty successful. Microsoft sold countless licenses of Windows Me, Vista, and 8, as...

        Turns out you can get away with a lot when you’ve got a monopoly.

        But really, most of those “failures” were pretty successful. Microsoft sold countless licenses of Windows Me, Vista, and 8, as well as the versions of Office that included Clippy. Windows CE and Mobile had an extremely long development history that went on and on for a long time and was pretty good towards the end as far as I have been told. Kinect was also very successful; I think you may be confusing the people who were really upset when they revealed that it was a mandatory accessory to the Xbox One, which they quickly backpedalled after public backlash. And Microsoft didn’t make any money from Internet Explorer from selling it.

        1 vote
    2. Akir
      Link Parent
      For what it's worth, I think Obsidian has been doing pretty well since Microsoft bought them. Though I have no idea what has been up with the studios they got when Microsoft purchased Bethesda and...

      For what it's worth, I think Obsidian has been doing pretty well since Microsoft bought them. Though I have no idea what has been up with the studios they got when Microsoft purchased Bethesda and Activision Blizzard.

      5 votes
    3. [2]
      raze2012
      Link Parent
      It's just too bad that the people losing in the end are tens of thousands of passionate talent that simply want to make cool games. The Bobby koticks of the world burn the place down and get paid...

      It's just too bad that the people losing in the end are tens of thousands of passionate talent that simply want to make cool games. The Bobby koticks of the world burn the place down and get paid more to leave than some people's entire careers' worth of labor.

      We're really due for a reset in corporate America. I just wonder how low it's going to fall before that button is hit.

      5 votes
      1. kingofsnake
        Link Parent
        It's always the artists that lose out when those responsible for turning their work into a business don't keep up their end of the bargain. That said, if I were in business I sure wouldn't go into...

        It's always the artists that lose out when those responsible for turning their work into a business don't keep up their end of the bargain.

        That said, if I were in business I sure wouldn't go into video games. The chance of everybody losing their shirts ways seems to be one quarter away.

        5 votes
  2. [8]
    JXM
    (edited )
    Link
    Reminder that Polygon was bought out by a clickbait farm a few months ago and all of their good writers were laid off. Other reviews: PC Gamer Wired IGN They all basically say the same thing: it's...

    Reminder that Polygon was bought out by a clickbait farm a few months ago and all of their good writers were laid off.

    Other reviews:

    They all basically say the same thing: it's not worth the $1,000 asking price. I've also seen quite a few reviews wondering why it even runs Windows (money). I wonder how long it will take before someone ports Steam OS?

    I own the original Ally and it’s good enough but there was definitely room for improvement. Unfortunately, it looks like neither of the subsequent models have really addressed issues like battery life or heat dissipation.

    19 votes
    1. [4]
      Rudism
      Link Parent
      If you don't actually travel, and just want something portable that you can play your PC games on around your house or yard or whatever, I think investing in decent wifi/local network...

      If you don't actually travel, and just want something portable that you can play your PC games on around your house or yard or whatever, I think investing in decent wifi/local network infrastructure and picking up a (way, way, way) cheaper device made for streaming will give you more bang for your buck. For $1000 you could probably get a Unifi router, a couple APs, and something like a Logitech G-Cloud and then stream games from your existing PC.

      If you do travel, then I don't understand why anyone would pick this thing up over a Steamdeck OLED or a Switch 2 (both of which are comparable in price to the non-premium Xbox Ally).

      3 votes
      1. [3]
        stu2b50
        Link Parent
        Performance in screen and specs? From the IGN review Compared to the Steamdeck, it's considerably stronger in performance, and has a much better screen. As for the switch 2, it's really apples to...

        Performance in screen and specs? From the IGN review

        For instance, the Lenovo Legion Go 2 starts at $1,099 with a weaker processor, with the Z2 Extreme model costing as much as $1,479. Then, the MSI Claw A8, which hasn’t even launched in the US, is out in the UK right now for £850 which is around $1,135 – and likely more once tariffs are worked into the equation. Handhelds are getting more expensive, but for devices with the Z2 Extreme, the Asus ROG Xbox Ally X is actually one of the most affordable right now.

        Compared to the Steamdeck, it's considerably stronger in performance, and has a much better screen. As for the switch 2, it's really apples to oranges. If you're in the market for one or the other, you're probably not the market for the other.

        It's never going to beat the Steamdeck or Switch in price / performance - at least, not unless Microsoft is willing to subsidize the production beyond just slapping their name on it. For the current mobile gaming device market, it's priced about what you'd expect. It just has a bunch of press because it has "Xbox" in it.

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          Rudism
          Link Parent
          I think the handheld device market must be more booming than I realized. I suppose if this is going to be a primary gaming device it makes sense to maximize specs. I was assuming these would...

          I think the handheld device market must be more booming than I realized. I suppose if this is going to be a primary gaming device it makes sense to maximize specs. I was assuming these would always be secondary devices to gaming on a real PC or mainline console, but it sounds like maybe that assumption is wrong.

          4 votes
          1. CptBluebear
            Link Parent
            You'd think so, but almost immediately with the launch of the first ROG Ally competitor to the Steam Deck it became abundantly clear that a lot of the appeal is how good SteamOS feels and how...

            You'd think so, but almost immediately with the launch of the first ROG Ally competitor to the Steam Deck it became abundantly clear that a lot of the appeal is how good SteamOS feels and how important it is that the system is unlocked for everyone that wants to tinker with it.

            Aside from that flexibility, for your regular user it appears that the incredible turnkey power and ease of use of the Steam Deck outweighs many of the performance gains other handhelds may have over the Deck.

            I for one think the Steam Deck is the better product even with middling specs and lastly, the price is also agreeable.

            9 votes
    2. [2]
      stu2b50
      Link Parent
      Why wouldn't it? Running windows is one of the selling points of these. Many games will not run in linux, and running windows on the steamdeck, while possible, is a bad experience because there's...

      I've also seen quite a few reviews wondering why it even runs Windows (money).

      Why wouldn't it? Running windows is one of the selling points of these. Many games will not run in linux, and running windows on the steamdeck, while possible, is a bad experience because there's no driver support.

      Most of the third party portable gaming devices come with windows. You can then install bazzite or whatever if you want.

      3 votes
      1. Kawa
        Link Parent
        I think the implication about wondering why it runs Windows would be that it should be some kind of Xbox OS that runs Xbox console style software, rather than Windows PC software. Anyone who knows...

        I think the implication about wondering why it runs Windows would be that it should be some kind of Xbox OS that runs Xbox console style software, rather than Windows PC software. Anyone who knows whats going on in handheld PCs and that this is a ROG Ally adjacent product knew it was going to be Windows, but this very question makes this very awkward for some less informed fans of the Xbox brand who may not know what they're getting into with a product like this. If someone's deep in the Xbox console ecosystem and not PC, and gets wind of this device, what is going to happen for them? What if they buy it without really realizing? I mean, I should hope people these days investigate harder before they drop that kind of money but I'm just saying I won't be surprised to hear of someone hitting this particular snag. Xbox branding for this product is actually very awkward in terms of the Xbox organization's customer communications here.

        (+ @raze2012 who made a very similar reply)

        5 votes
    3. raze2012
      Link Parent
      It is an "Xbox" product, even if Microsoft didn't make it in house. Would they expect an Apple product to come built in with SteamOS too? The main benefit I see to this new wave of portable pcs is...

      I've also seen quite a few reviews wondering why it even runs Windows (money)

      It is an "Xbox" product, even if Microsoft didn't make it in house. Would they expect an Apple product to come built in with SteamOS too?

      The main benefit I see to this new wave of portable pcs is that these are legitimate computers, not locked down consoles. So you can take the time to throw on another OS if you wish.

      1 vote
  3. Rudism
    Link
    I like how they advertise Game Bar as a top tier selling point. Whenever I try to set up a Windows machine for gaming it takes me like half a day to figure out how to fully disable that damn thing...

    I like how they advertise Game Bar as a top tier selling point. Whenever I try to set up a Windows machine for gaming it takes me like half a day to figure out how to fully disable that damn thing so I can map the button to something actually useful.

    6 votes