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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of February 28

This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!

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  1. [6]
    eladnarra
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    The Biden Administration Killed America’s Collective Pandemic Approach: Protections meant to shield everyone can’t be a matter of personal preference.

    The Biden Administration Killed America’s Collective Pandemic Approach: Protections meant to shield everyone can’t be a matter of personal preference.

    In the new playbook, recommendations for individual people, not communities, sit front and center, and mitigation frequently falls under the purview of medicine rather than public health—heaping more responsibility on the already dysfunctional American health-care system. “It is public health’s job to protect everybody, not just those people who are vaccinated, not just those people who are healthy,” says Theresa Chapple-McGruder, the director of the Department of Public Health in Oak Park, Illinois. I asked Chapple-McGruder if the CDC’s new guidelines meet that mark. “Not at all,” she said. (The CDC did not respond to a request for comment.)

    [...]

    A medical framework—almost resembling a prescription model—is not public-health guidance, which centers community-level benefits achieved through community-level action. People act in the collective interest, a tactic that benefits everyone, not just themselves. Where the CDC leaves us now feels especially disorienting when we consider where most mask-up messaging began: with the idea that masking was an act of communal good—“my mask protects you, your mask protects me.” Now masking is about, as the CDC puts it, “personal preference, informed by personal level of risk.”

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    1. eladnarra
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      On a personal note, if you live in an area with high case rates and you have the resources to do so, please keep wearing masks in public, indoor spaces. High risk people's lives just got even...

      On a personal note, if you live in an area with high case rates and you have the resources to do so, please keep wearing masks in public, indoor spaces. High risk people's lives just got even smaller than they were before. I can't keep putting off dentist and doctor appointments much longer...

      7 votes
    2. [4]
      skybrian
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      The CDC made a map, and they do ask everyone to wear a mask in the counties marked red. That's a call for collective action. The Atlantic article doesn't acknowledge this. It doesn't seem to take...

      The CDC made a map, and they do ask everyone to wear a mask in the counties marked red. That's a call for collective action.

      The Atlantic article doesn't acknowledge this. It doesn't seem to take into account changing conditions at all?

      I think it's fair to say, though, that not many people are looking at the map. It hasn't been publicized much, and those of us who pay attention to cases are looking at other dashboards. Most people probably don't look at anything at all.

      It's a problem because prevalence of COVID in a community is invisible. Unlike the weather, you can't look out the window to see if things look bad.

      (Another problem is that it's apparently not a very good map?)

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      1. [3]
        eladnarra
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        I don't know about healthy folks, but the chronic illness/disability community on Twitter knows about the map - it existed in various forms before with the old guidelines, and plenty of counties...

        I don't know about healthy folks, but the chronic illness/disability community on Twitter knows about the map - it existed in various forms before with the old guidelines, and plenty of counties went from red to green after the switch in guidelines, which isn't very comforting.

        Conditions are changing, sure, but they also changed the standards they use to assess those conditions, making things seem suddenly a lot better than they actually are (in terms of cases). And for those of us concerned about high risk individuals and people getting long COVID, community case rates are more important than hospitalizations.

        The new guidelines prioritize healthy, vaccinated people, with the assumption that if they get sick it's fine (ignoring long COVID). Only recommending masks at the point of extremely high community spread isn't public health or collective action, because you ignored high risk and unvaccinated folks until that suddenly much higher threshold is met. Their new standard is to protect hospitals, and to protect healthy people from dying from a heart attack because the hospitals are full of high risk/unvaccinated folks; it doesn't appear to be meant to protect everyone, which is the point of the article.

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        1. [2]
          skybrian
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          I think this would be a persuasive argument: the omicron wave is ending, but not quite over. So why can't we take precautions for another couple of weeks? This should make cases drop enough that...

          I think this would be a persuasive argument: the omicron wave is ending, but not quite over. So why can't we take precautions for another couple of weeks? This should make cases drop enough that everyone, including high-risk individuals, can venture out safely.

          At least, it's persuasive to me. But I don't think many people will listen to health authorities anyway at this point. As a result, unfortunately I think it's going to take longer to get there. But I think cases will still decline and hopefully we will still get there soon.

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          1. eladnarra
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            I guess that would have been an improvement, yeah. But even with that, I don't really know what happens when the next variant comes along. The new guidelines are so weak and weighted to...

            I guess that would have been an improvement, yeah.

            But even with that, I don't really know what happens when the next variant comes along. The new guidelines are so weak and weighted to hospitalizations, that we'll be pretty far into the upswing by the time masking kicks in again.

            I'm feeling pretty bleak about it all. Today I tried to find a new gynecologist, and the closest practice to me no longer requires masks, even though my county is red (on both the new map and the old map that still applies to healthcare settings).

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  2. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    An anti-vax judge is preventing the US Navy from deploying a warship commanding officer of a $1.8 billion guided-missile destroyer refuses to get vaccinated, and refuses to even get tested when he...

    An anti-vax judge is preventing the US Navy from deploying a warship

    commanding officer of a $1.8 billion guided-missile destroyer refuses to get vaccinated, and refuses to even get tested when he has obvious covid symptoms:

    Brandon testified that last November, he spoke with Doe on Doe’s ship one day before its scheduled departure. Doe was experiencing multiple symptoms of COVID, and appeared to have a relatively severe case; he could, Brandon recalled, “barely speak.” Yet Doe refused to get tested—a clear violation of protocol—and attended a briefing in a cramped room with about 60 other people. Brandon ordered Doe to get a test, which revealed that he did, indeed, have COVID, and exposed dozens of others to the virus.

    and a federal judge (George HW Bush appointee) is prioritizing that commander's "religious liberty" over the Navy's desire to relieve him of command for insubordination and send the ship out commanded by someone who can follow orders.

    there are 300 people on the ship (based on the description in the article, it's an Arleigh Burke class). the vast majority of them (97% of the Navy overall) are vaccinated. their commander is not. seems like that's probably bad for morale.

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  3. skybrian
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    Looking at US covid statistics on the Washington Post page: the US overall is down 37% to 20 cases per 100k. The last time it was this low was July. New York dropped to 10 per 100k, also last seen...

    Looking at US covid statistics on the Washington Post page: the US overall is down 37% to 20 cases per 100k. The last time it was this low was July. New York dropped to 10 per 100k, also last seen there in July. Seems good!

    In California the decline seems to have stalled at 34 per 100k (up 3%.) Is it a blip? What's going on here?

    Looking at the California state dashboard clears this up somewhat. The difference seems to be "by report date" versus "by episode date". Going by report date, the numbers for California are steady (slight increase), but by episode date they are down.

    However, data over the last seven days is incomplete, and the "by episode date" is going to slope downward regardless. The CA dashboard gives 19.5 cases per 100k as its top-line number, which seems to be the "by episode date" number from a week ago. The "by report date" average is at 30.3 cases per 100k, which is close to the Washington Post number.

    It's rather confusing. We need better dashboards.

    The county numbers in the Washington Post are even more confusing - it says there is a 109% increase in San Mateo County and 158% increase in Alameda, which would be alarming if true. This agrees with the "by report date" graph in the state dashboard, but there's no sign of any increase in the "by episode date" graph.

    I can think of two possibilities: (1) reporting delays are the same as last week. Cases are steady in California due to being up a lot in Alameda and San Mateo, or (2) there has been more backfilling of older cases than usual in these counties over the last week, so the "reported by" graph is misleading.

    There don't seem to be any news reports of an alarming increase in cases the local news for Alameda or San Mateo. But I'm no longer sure I know what happened in the past week in California.

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  4. [4]
    skybrian
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    Hong Kong to Lock Down City for Mass Testing, Sing Tao Says [...]

    Hong Kong to Lock Down City for Mass Testing, Sing Tao Says

    Hong Kong is planning to enforce a lockdown of the city to ensure a mandatory Covid-19 testing drive planned for this month is effective, Sing Tao Daily reported.

    Testing of the financial hub’s 7.4 million people will start after March 17, the newspaper reported, citing people it didn’t identify.

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    After two years of limited outbreaks, Hong Kong is facing its toughest virus challenge yet, with the highly transmissible omicron variant testing its zero-tolerance, high intensity approach to keeping Covid out. New cases have ballooned from a few hundred a day to more than 34,000 on Monday. Deaths are also ticking higher, with the under-vaccinated elderly population bearing the brunt as the virus spreads. Officials have already had to relinquish some of their key containment measures, including mandatory isolation for cases and detailed contact tracing, as the outbreak spirals out of control.

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    1. skybrian
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      Hong Kong population drop accelerates amid worst COVID outbreak

      Hong Kong population drop accelerates amid worst COVID outbreak

      Exits have surged recently, with a net 78,000 residents leaving over the first two months of this year amid the city's worst COVID outbreak. Hong Kong has reported more COVID deaths and infections over the past four weeks than in the previous two years combined, even as much of the world has begun to move on from the pandemic.

      Many economists expect the forced closure of various businesses and renewed social controls to tip Hong Kong's economy back into recession just after it had managed to end two years of contraction. The city's public health system has buckled under the unprecedented pressure, with thousands stranded for extended periods outside hospitals in wintry weather.

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    2. skybrian
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      Hong Kong's Covid Death Rate Is Now One of the World's Highest

      Hong Kong's Covid Death Rate Is Now One of the World's Highest

      While most major Western countries are past the peak of their latest wave of infections and aren’t reporting a high number of fatalities, Hong Kong’s current ratio is about to surpass the nine deaths per 1 million that the U.S. recorded at the peak of its omicron wave in late January.

      Hong Kong reported a record of 117 new deaths Tuesday. Most of the fatalities during the current wave have been elderly people, and 91% of those who died weren’t double vaccinated, according to government data released Sunday.

      The city’s death toll is likely to keep climbing as the outbreak spreads through a growing number of care facilities, a sector which in many places has accounted for a disproportionate share of Covid fatalities. More than 600 care homes in Hong Kong are experiencing outbreaks, with 3,150 residents and about 900 staff infected. Almost 75,000 elderly and disabled people live in residential facilities in Hong Kong.

      For nearly a year now, experts have warned that Hong Kong’s low vaccination take up among older people would become an issue. Though inoculation rates jumped after omicron got through the city’s strict Covid defenses, less than half of residents age 80 and older have received a first dose. Rival Asian financial hub Singapore has vaccinated about 95% of its seniors, and is averaging far fewer deaths -- about five per day in February.

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    3. skybrian
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      Hong Kong’s elderly vaccine refuseniks unmoved by soaring Covid deaths […]

      Hong Kong’s elderly vaccine refuseniks unmoved by soaring Covid deaths

      Infectious disease experts have criticised the government and parts of the media for spooking Hong Kong’s elderly with scare stories but have warned that even if pensioners get inoculated immediately, it may be too late to slow the number of deaths.

      Yuen Kwok-yung, a microbiologist at the University of Hong Kong and a government pandemic adviser, estimated that as many as 80 per cent of people living in Hong Kong nursing homes have been infected, meaning that death rates would probably soar even higher.

      […]

      “The Hong Kong government probably made a mistake in its early vaccination strategy …officials at that time suggested [elderly people] who suffered from chronic illnesses to consult a doctor first and wait till their illnesses stabilised before they get the shot,” David Hui, a respiratory disease expert at the Chinese University of Hong Kong and a government adviser, told the Financial Times.

      “This created the misconception among many that, if they have [chronic illnesses], they should postpone getting vaccinated.”

      Local media amplified the fears and as recently as last month were publishing sensationalist reports about people who had died from unrelated causes after taking the vaccine.

      Many elderly people were initially advised by doctors to avoid getting the jab, according to Stephanie Law, a managing director of Culture Homes, a nursing home group. “The doctors were quite concerned they would be responsible for any consequences,” Law added.

      An opt-in policy, that has since been reversed, for the vaccine in nursing homes made matters worse, while the requirement that family members consent to a jab accentuated the problem. “Their relatives also bear some responsibility,” said Ivan Hung, a government pandemic adviser and infectious disease professor at HKU.

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  5. skybrian
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    140 million Americans have had coronavirus, according to blood tests analyzed by CDC [...]

    140 million Americans have had coronavirus, according to blood tests analyzed by CDC

    The estimates, compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, show that about 43 percent of the country has been infected by the virus. The study shows that the majority of children have also been infected.

    The data goes through late January, when the omicron variant of the coronavirus was causing more than 500,000 cases a day, meaning the number of Americans now infected is considerably higher. The data comes from 72,000 blood samples taken in January.

    [...]

    Just before the omicron variant, a seroprevalence study that included both vaccination and natural infection found antibodies in more than 90 percent of adults, but that did not prevent omicron’s enormous infection rates, hospitalization and death, said Kristen Nordlund, a CDC spokeswoman.

    Vaccination or exposure to the coronavirus may have reduced the deadliness and severity of the omicron wave, Nordlund said.

    4 votes
  6. [2]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    The Pandemic is following a very predictable and depressing pattern: As with diseases such as malaria and HIV, rich countries are “moving on” from COVID while poor ones continue to get ravaged.

    The Pandemic is following a very predictable and depressing pattern: As with diseases such as malaria and HIV, rich countries are “moving on” from COVID while poor ones continue to get ravaged.

    But in the global South, COVID-19 is much harder to ignore. More than a year after the start of the mass-vaccination campaign, nearly 3 billion people are still waiting for their first shot. While an average of 80 percent of people in high-income countries have gotten at least one dose, that figure stands at just 13 percent in low-income countries.

    You may know malaria as an infectious disease that affects poor “tropical” countries. But for several thousands of years, malaria was a global menace. During the 20th century alone, the disease is estimated to have accounted for up to 5 percent of all human deaths. It was eradicated from the global North by the 1970s, but the rest of the world was left behind.

    The same phenomenon has unfolded with tuberculosis, a disease so old that DNA of TB bacteria have been identified in Egyptian mummies. “Consumption,” as TB was once called, was highly prevalent in Europe and North America. From the 1600s to the 1800s, TB caused 25 percent of all deaths in Europe. By the 1980s, TB case numbers had decreased significantly in the West, largely thanks to drug treatments and reductions in poverty. But again, TB remains a problem in developing countries (and among marginalized populations within the global North). In 2020, TB killed 1.5 million people, more than 80 percent of whom lived in low- and middle-income countries.

    “By epidemic we actually mean a pandemic that no longer kills people in rich countries,” wrote Peter Sands, the CEO of the Global Fund, an international group that combats these diseases. “By endemic we actually mean a disease the world could get rid of but hasn’t. HIV/AIDS, TB and malaria are pandemics that have been beaten in rich countries. Allowing them to persist elsewhere is a policy choice and a budgetary decision.”

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    1. skybrian
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      No, that's not what "pandemic" or "epidemic" mean. These are scientific terms. Putting it in bold doesn't make a bad argument better. Another problem with this article is that it points to lifting...

      No, that's not what "pandemic" or "epidemic" mean. These are scientific terms. Putting it in bold doesn't make a bad argument better.

      Another problem with this article is that it points to lifting restrictions in rich countries as if this were somehow connected to international aid. These are different things, separate campaigns. Surely, public health decisions should be based on local conditions. Wearing masks in solidarity with Africa, when the danger has largely passed, would not help them.

      A quick search seems to show that international aid continues. From two weeks ago:

      U.S. will ‘surge’ vaccine support to 11 African countries

      The Global VAX initiative, which the administration outlined in December, represents the latest effort to carry out President Biden’s vows to help end the pandemic and restore U.S. health leadership. Those goals are driven by national security and humanitarian concerns, as officials worry that a new variant could emerge in a largely unvaccinated country and quickly circle the globe. The fast-spreading omicron variant, which drove record levels of coronavirus cases and hospitalizations in January, was first detected in southern Africa in November.

      According to a Global VAX initiative “field guide” shared with diplomatic contacts, the United States will prioritize countries in sub-Saharan Africa — starting with Angola, Côte d’Ivoire, Eswatini, Ghana, Lesotho, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda and Zambia — to “receive intensive support” for their vaccination campaigns through in-person staffing, technical assistance and more diplomatic engagement.

      The world's attention has turned to Ukraine, but fortunately governments can do more than one thing.

      At the individual level, I recommend Against Malaria, or look at GiveWell's other recommendations.

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