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The controversial experiments and Wuhan lab accused by some of starting the coronavirus pandemic

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    dubteedub
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    I think this article has some serious issues in presenting COVID-19 as being a potentially man made / lab-grown virus. Intelligence has been consistent that this does not appear to be the case....
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    I think this article has some serious issues in presenting COVID-19 as being a potentially man made / lab-grown virus. Intelligence has been consistent that this does not appear to be the case.

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Office of the Director of National Intelligence today issued the following Intelligence Community (IC) statement:

    “The entire Intelligence Community has been consistently providing critical support to U.S. policymakers and those responding to the COVID-19 virus, which originated in China. The Intelligence Community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified.

    “As we do in all crises, the Community’s experts respond by surging resources and producing critical intelligence on issues vital to U.S. national security. The IC will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”

    Edit: Note that the Newsweek article is already pretty outdated as it came out a week ago on April 27th and this press statement from the US DNI is from three days later.

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    1. dubteedub
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      Another update on this that just came out yesterday from The Guardian. Five Eyes network contradicts theory Covid-19 leaked from lab - No current evidence to suggest coronavirus leaked from Wuhan...

      Another update on this that just came out yesterday from The Guardian.

      There is no current evidence to suggest that coronavirus leaked from a Chinese research laboratory, intelligence sources have told the Guardian, contradicting recent White House claims that there is growing proof this is how the pandemic began.

      The sources also insisted that a “15-page dossier” highlighted by the Australian Daily Telegraph which accused China of a deadly cover up was not culled from intelligence from the Five Eyes network, an alliance between the UK, US, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

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      envy
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      The interesting element is that the Trump administration rolled back Obama era safeguards regarding the controversial experiments in the USA. Now the Trump administration is trying to blame China...

      The interesting element is that the Trump administration rolled back Obama era safeguards regarding the controversial experiments in the USA.

      Now the Trump administration is trying to blame China for also ignoring the safeguards for the exact same controversial experiments.

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        1. nothis
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          I don't think the problem is "knowing", it's caring.

          I don't think the problem is "knowing", it's caring.

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      N45H
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      Yay, just commenting to say this labeling as exemplary seems to work. And if I understand this about the weights of 0.5 correctly I'm the 2nd person to mark it. Now it has a blue ribbon thingie to...

      Yay, just commenting to say this labeling as exemplary seems to work. And if I understand this about the weights of 0.5 correctly I'm the 2nd person to mark it. Now it has a blue ribbon thingie to the left.

      feel free to label this as offtopic, thanks for inspiring me to test Tildes features out, gpl

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    envy
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    So the Obama administration shut down potentially dangerous pandemic research, the Trump administration reversed that Obama ban. Yet Trump is eager to pin the blame for Covid19 on China's Wuhan...

    Fouchier came up with was a technique known as "animal passage," in which he mutated the bird-flu virus by passing it through animals rather than cell cultures.

    That showed that the virus was transmissible in ferrets—and, by implication, in humans. Fouchier had succeeded in creating a potential pandemic virus in his lab.

    When Fouchier submitted his animal-passage work to the journal Science in 2011, biosecurity officials in the Obama White House, worried that the dangerous pathogen could accidentally leak from Fouchier's lab, pushed for a moratorium on the research.

    The NIH eventually came down on the side of Fouchier and the other proponents. It considered gain-of-function research worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to prepare anti-viral medications that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred. By the time NIH lifted the moratorium, in 2017, it had granted dozens of exceptions.

    So the Obama administration shut down potentially dangerous pandemic research, the Trump administration reversed that Obama ban.

    Yet Trump is eager to pin the blame for Covid19 on China's Wuhan lab, who were basically doing the same thing?

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      MimicSquid
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      Setting aside the question of whether the Wuhan lab is the origin, if two labs are doing dangerous work and in one of those labs security measures fail, should they be equally blamed for the outbreak?

      Setting aside the question of whether the Wuhan lab is the origin, if two labs are doing dangerous work and in one of those labs security measures fail, should they be equally blamed for the outbreak?

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      1. fifthecho
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        Are these labs just collaborating? Are they working on the same project? Do they have the same leadership? If it's not two labs under the same leadership working on the same project then no. No...

        Are these labs just collaborating? Are they working on the same project? Do they have the same leadership?

        If it's not two labs under the same leadership working on the same project then no. No they shouldn't be equally blamed.

        If Lab A owned by Company A and Lab by owned by Company B are working on nearly identical projects but A has a security breach or some sort of failure, then to say that Company B is at fault or holds any blame for Company A's failure is absurd.

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    gpl
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    This title is somewhat misleading (as pointed out in other comments), and I think it doesn't make clear the fact that there is currently no evidence this was man made ("suspected" is more like...

    This title is somewhat misleading (as pointed out in other comments), and I think it doesn't make clear the fact that there is currently no evidence this was man made ("suspected" is more like "accused" in this case). I'm half tempted to edit the title to something more accurate, but I'm not sure if that would be considered overstepping.

    feel free to label this as noise

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      dubteedub
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      I personally think that would be appropriate. There is no evidence that the virus was man-made or created in a laboratory in Wuhan. The OP of this post even said that the reason they shared is...

      I personally think that would be appropriate. There is no evidence that the virus was man-made or created in a laboratory in Wuhan. The OP of this post even said that the reason they shared is because of the issue of Trump deregulation, not the lab-grown angle of the title.

      I will also just add that Newsweek is in essence a clickbait farm at this point. The outlet has had a number of ownership changes and had a series of layoffs over the years and is basically running on a skeleton crew of people trying to get as many clicks as possible to their site.

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      1. gpl
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        I have changed "suspected" to "accused by some". Hopefully this is not seen as overstepping.

        I have changed "suspected" to "accused by some". Hopefully this is not seen as overstepping.

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