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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of August 10
This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!
My usual personal update:
It is official -- I will be starting this school year remotely.
Deep inside, I really want to celebrate this, and privately, I am. I feel personally relieved. I haven't been sleeping well in weeks and anxiety about going back to work was eating me up. I can rest easier now.
I can't exactly be happy though, as nearly every parent I know is devastated. They understand the risks but more than anything else they need relief. They're tired, beleaguered, and facing an impossible situation: managing their own jobs and remote learning for their kids at the same time. A coworker called me in tears yesterday. She has two little children, one entering school for the first time this coming year. That child simply won't be able to sit quietly for hours in front of a screen while her mom's away doing her job. But her mom also can't afford to not work, nor pay someone else to help her kids. Make no doubt about it, this country's response to COVID-19 has directly failed parents, leaving them out to dry, offering them no support, and prolonging their difficult situations.
As I expected, the decision to reopen remotely was made less because of safety and more because they couldn't figure out the logistics of reopening with all the restrictions. In some ways, the things I've complained about here with regards to a lack of school funding helped effect this, because our district didn't do a lot beyond the bare minimum with their funding, so while they moved some furniture around and bought some hand sanitizer, literally nothing was done regarding ventilation or restructuring school environments. I think we got the right outcome for the wrong reasons, but I'm not about to complain about that. A right call is a right call regardless.
With regards to the response from the community, things immediately got ugly. I should have expected this given the tenor of everything in America of late, but I was honestly surprised. I'm not on Facebook, but based on what has been shared with me from friends and colleagues, it is an outright warzone right now. Local news organizations have shut down comments on articles, and several prominent educational stakeholders have received direct threats, both legal and personal. It's one thing to know those kinds of people are out there, but another entirely to see them in your own community.
I've known for a long time that this school year was going to be awful. For me, it was simply a question of will it be awful, or will it be awful AND I'll get to deal with daily exposure to COVID? I'm happy I can say no to the latter, but now that has put the "awful" part into sharp focus: I simply do not love remote teaching. I think I've got a lot of upcoming work to do in order to best figure out how to make the best of this setting.
Ultimately though, I come back to the idea that anything other than health and safety for myself and my students is just noise. Our lives are priority 1. They are the top concern. Nothing supersedes them. And a remote reopening is the only way to ensure that we're safe right now. So, privately, I'm joyous -- not just for myself, but for all the people that such a decision is protecting.
Over the weekend I was listening to a RadioLab episode that was talking about the observations some doctors have made that seem to indicate a correlation between vitamin D deficiency and COVID19 severity.
Then this morning I see that someone posted a paper studying that exact thing on reddit.
It's far from conclusive, the sample size is only 42 people. But hey, any good news is welcome at this point. At this point I'm just using it as further motivation to go outside and get some exercise (and sunlight).
There are definitely reports hypothesizing similar correlations from a while ago, like this one:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200507121353.htm
I do wonder if this is just a correlation with generally more unhealthy people having less sun exposure outside/being less active and a more severe vitamin D deficiency. Further research adding to the pile is always good.
MedCram has done a few episodes on vitamin D, most recently this one. The tl;dr is that vitamin D is a bit of a heavy lifter when it comes to immune response and in helping to regulate vasculature and endothelial health. But if you haven't watched any of the MedCram updates on COVID before, I highly recommend it. They recently hit episode 100 (which is a decent starting place as it's a bit of a recap episode). It's hands-down the single best source of information I've come across on new studies and potential treatments. He's a frontline ICU respiratory specialist in Riverside, CA, and the fact that he's taken the time to put out a hundred episodes so far this year that go in depth on new studies on COVID despite working full time at the ICU is absolutely mindblowing to me.
To top it all off, the information he talks about there is weeks, if not months, ahead of the news cycles. He was talking about vitamin D back in April, possibly earlier. Around the same time, he started hypothesizing about the strange effects being seen in COVID patients, and how these effects differed from typical respiratory infections. In late April, he published this video expanding upon the hypothesis that COVID attacks the endothelium of the lung vasculature and causes runaway oxidative stress that eventually leads to thrombosis in the lungs' microvasculature, explaining the strange results of tests that look at oxygen diffusion issues and the cases of "happy hypoxics". The first news story I remember seeing about this wasn't until the beginning of July.
Sorry my tldr turned out a bit long. I highly recommend the channel. I wish I could get more people to watch it. Come to think of it, I should probably make another top level comment about another recent episode regarding paper testing because that's an absolute game changer.
Like @Autoxidation said, until a causative link is established, I'd be hesitant to put any hopes in Vitamin D improving outcomes/preventing Coronavirus. IMO, it's more likely that populations low in Vitamin D may also be less healthy and thus more susceptible to COVID. For example, people who stay inside and don't exercise. Or black people, who, most likely due to socioeconomic factors suffer higher rates of diabetes/heart disease.
Edit: well, looks like that hesitation was unwarranted. vitamin d for everyone!
California’s public health director resigns in wake of coronavirus data errors
New Zealand has had a new cluster of cases show up after going over 100 days without any local transmission, and they don't seem to have any idea where it came from at this point. They're investigating the possibility that it may have even come in on the packaging of frozen food, though overall they don't seem to think that's likely.
Not sure if it has been talked about at all here on tildes, but This Week in Virology did an interview with a Harvard doctor named Michael Mina about the possibility of cheap daily tests and how such a thing could be the most effective means of combating the spread, pre-vaccine.
The interview itself is the first hour or so. MedCram (an amazing resource for learning about COVID, see my other post here if you haven't yet) did a 20 minute recap on the interview and offers some clarification on the technical details of Ct values and transmission thresholds.
Coronavirus Pandemic Update 98: At Home COVID-19 Testing - A Possible Breakthrough
A few days ago, MedCram themselves interviewed Michael Mina about these paper tests, talking about what needs to happen for these to be approved, how they could potentially change the lockdown landscape, and going over some of the more technical details. Again, it's about an hour long. They made a 5 minute summary video of the interview that goes over the highlights, but it appears youtube flagged it for some reason.
So I'll offer my own take on it. Take it with a grain of salt if you wish, but if nothing else go watch MedCram ep.98 at the very least if you'd like to know more.
My take on it is basically: This is how to reopen. Not with fuzzy guidelines and fingers crossed, hoping for the best out of desperation. But with billions of cheap tests made available so that people can test themselves at home, at work, at school, however frequently is needed. It doesn't require blood, it doesn't require skewering your brain with a swab, and doesn't require equipment or machinery. Somewhat similar to a pregnancy test, you'd have to spit in a vial and drop a piece of paper in.
In a perfect work, everybody could be testing themselves once or twice a week. But with the current political landscape, we would still have people who refuse to do it. But even taking that into account, this could drop the R-effective in a major way. There would likely still be outbreaks because people are idiots, yes, but this would enable sectors across the board to reopen with a level of assurance of safety that is currently completely absent.
I already wrote to Mayor Garcetti here in LA about it, and it seems I'm not the only one. The only thing that will get the ball rolling on this is the political will. But this is exciting news. I would love to be able to take a test, have a few friends do the same, and be able to tell each other we can hang out for the first time in ages. Or to be able to see my dad without worrying about the possibility that I could potentially be an asymptomatic carrier. We're still a minimum of six months out from a vaccine, assuming moderna or chadox pass phase 3, and even then rollout will be slow. We need something in the meantime in we have any hope of regaining a foothold of normalcy.
I read an article about Michael Mina (possibly something you posted?) and this suggestion of cheap at-home coronavirus self-testing and have been so hopeful about it since then. If those of us who actually cared/believed in it could take a test every day, we could get pretty close to back to something normal. I would even feel comfortable playing hockey again, especially if the rink required everyone to take a test before playing. The virus could pretty much be isolated to idiots and to people who interact with idiots, and it seems to me that this would cut it down to almost nothing.
Sorry for a comment that's little more than just gushing and echoing what you already said, but I can't help myself. I'm excited about this idea.
Yea, Michael Mina did an OpEd in the NY Times a little over a month ago, I believe. I wasn't the one who posted it here, but I believe that article kinda got the ball rolling on the idea. Well, I guess the preprint itself is really what got things started, but it seems like the guy has really been devoting himself to spreading the word about it.
And I couldn't be happier to hear someone else enthusiastic about this!
This is what I wrote to the mayor here in LA... (it's a little more ass-kissy than I would normally be inclined to do, but something something flies and sugar)
I don't imagine it was actually read by the mayor. Best I can hope for is that the general message was passed along. But I kinda doubt even that. So as to not waste a bit of perfectly good letter, I figured maybe someone here might get some use out of it.
Skepticism Greets Putin's Announcement Of Russian Coronavirus Vaccine
Oooof. This is going to eat a few news cycles. Totally makes sense that someone like Putin would do this. I will be 0% shocked if Trump doesn't try to do the same thing. Especially if the Russian vaccine doesn't have any immediate and obvious drawbacks. Although I don't think Trump can actually force the FDA to do this, he would absolutely use this as more proof of Deep State conspiracies to point and say "look I'm trying to get everyone a vaccine, but they won't let me".
Some choice quotes:
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FDA clears saliva test for Covid-19, opening door to wider testing
Thousands of Bikers gather for a Motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota that is expected to last from Aug 7-16.
Expected to become a super-spreader event.
edit to add:
Smash Mouth is the latest band to play a concert for the unmasked masses
In last week's thread, we were talking about North Paulding High School in Georgia. They're now switching to a hybrid model, because they have at least 35 confirmed cases.
Woodstock High School, mentioned further down the thread, is now closing until at least August 31 because of 14 known positive cases, with more tests still pending.
Over 900 students and teachers in Cherokee County are quarantining now.
Absolutely infuriating.
I'm not sure what the testing delay is like there now, but two weeks ago the range was a four to fourteen day turnaround, and I can't imagine it's gotten significantly better since then. The confirmations we have now are likely lagging actual infections by days, if not weeks. This is unfortunately going to get much, much worse.
Coronavirus cuts off a Washington border town from two countries
How Point Roberts, an exclave of the US, has been affected by the Canadian border closure.
There's been a lot of complaining about this in the Canadian media. There are many allegations that Americans are using this and agreements around Alaska to flirt the travel ban.
Don’t just look at covid-19 fatality rates. Look at people who survive — but don’t entirely recover.
At sunny Saint-Tropez, the party crowd brings champagne — and the coronavirus
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It's paywalled and forces a redirect to the front page, then to a subscription prompt.
I added quotes with the gist.
Boston Globe: Your child’s a no-show at virtual school? You may get a call from the state’s foster care agency
(paywalled for me, but using an incognito window got around it)
NYT: Rapid Testing Is the New Velvet Rope
Another example of how the pandemic magnifies pre-existing problems in society such as vast income & wealth inequality.
(São paulo) Governor João (John) Dória has tested positive for COVID-19
Also, you know when they moved back the date of "presential classes"?
They also announced everyone will pass, no matter what.
Portuguese
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(both the articles are in Portuguese BTW. If anyone can find an English source that cares, please reply. Also I use preformatted as an "editor's note" thing.)
So it's anarchy then? What now?