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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of October 19

This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!

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  1. [5]
    kfwyre
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    Boston Public Schools is suspending all in-person learning as citywide coronavirus rate climbs I've seen plenty of other individual school closures in the news but this is the first large...

    Boston Public Schools is suspending all in-person learning as citywide coronavirus rate climbs

    I've seen plenty of other individual school closures in the news but this is the first large city-wide pivot back to remote in the US that I'm aware of (if I'm wrong on that please let me know).

    To avoid quarantining students, a school district tries moving them around every 15 minutes

    In desperate attempts to not have to close again, schools are looking for any loophole that will help them stay open. The example in this article is particularly flagrant, but this kind of "rules lawyering" is rampant right now, but usually in more subtle forms.

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      kfwyre
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      I was looking into information about Boston and found something really interesting: Apparently COVID is detectable in wastewater, and the Massachusetts Water Resources Authority has been running...

      I was looking into information about Boston and found something really interesting:

      Apparently COVID is detectable in wastewater, and the Massachusetts Water Resources Authority has been running tests on the greater Boston area. The data is available here, which is pretty fascinating on its own, but it also shows an alarming spike at present. Standard COVID testing shows that Massachusetts is already trending upwards, and it's possible the wastewater data shows that they might be in the beginning stages of another outbreak (this is pure conjecture on my part though, so don't take it as anything more than uneducated supposition).

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      1. Omnicrola
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        I know of at least one other example of this fact being used, back in August there was this WP article about Arizona State using sewer water testing to catch outbreaks among the returning students.

        Apparently COVID is detectable in wastewater,

        I know of at least one other example of this fact being used, back in August there was this WP article about Arizona State using sewer water testing to catch outbreaks among the returning students.

        7 votes
      2. kfwyre
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        The Boston wastewater data updated yesterday and pretty much confirmed that the slight upward tick from before wasn't just noise. I really wish we had this data for other cities/areas as well. It...

        The Boston wastewater data updated yesterday and pretty much confirmed that the slight upward tick from before wasn't just noise.

        I really wish we had this data for other cities/areas as well. It seems like wastewater data would be a good early indicator of spread, given that it doesn't have the built in delays of testing (e.g. time to result, as well as people waiting to test until they are symptomatic). I worry for Boston that what we see on the wastewater chart will soon be reflected in Massachusetts's testing data. I also wonder how many other places might have this same thing happening right now but we just don't know about it.

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    2. spit-evil-olive-tips
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      CDC has now updated their guidelines to make it clear that this idiocy won't fly. An epidemiologist explains the new CDC guidance on 15 minutes of exposure and what it means for you:

      To avoid quarantining students, a school district tries moving them around every 15 minutes

      CDC has now updated their guidelines to make it clear that this idiocy won't fly.

      An epidemiologist explains the new CDC guidance on 15 minutes of exposure and what it means for you:

      The previous guidance suggested that a close contact occurred when a person was within six feet of an infectious individual for 15 consecutive minutes. Now, the CDC is acknowledging that even brief contact can lead to transmission. Specifically, the new guidance suggests that those spending a total of 15 minutes of contact with an infectious person over the course of a 24-hour period should be considered in close contact.

      Despite the change, most public health professionals have been clear for months that there is nothing magic about six feet. In the same way, there is nothing magic about 15 minutes. These should be used as rough estimates to indicate the types of contact that are relatively higher risk.

      7 votes
  2. [4]
    nulledzero
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    It is worth it to go to a gym in the East Bay Area? I was working out consistently from Nov 2019 until the lockdown and businesses closed. As a result I gained the Covid 15 and have not been able...

    It is worth it to go to a gym in the East Bay Area? I was working out consistently from Nov 2019 until the lockdown and businesses closed. As a result I gained the Covid 15 and have not been able to lose them.

    Wondering if I should just force myself to do some BWF or find a gym and do some heavy lifting like I was before.

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    1. skybrian
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      For anyone else wondering, apparently BWF expands to “body weight fitness.”

      For anyone else wondering, apparently BWF expands to “body weight fitness.”

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    2. [2]
      krg
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      This has worked for me + walking/running. Lost ~25 lbs. in lockdown, so far (I could probably lose ~5-10 lbs. more, max). I'd suggest investing in a pull-up bar and a kettlebell.

      Wondering if I should just force myself to do some BWF

      This has worked for me + walking/running. Lost ~25 lbs. in lockdown, so far (I could probably lose ~5-10 lbs. more, max). I'd suggest investing in a pull-up bar and a kettlebell.

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      1. nulledzero
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        Thanks for the advice there is a park less than 100 meters from my house so I may start using the BWF equipment there. I'll actually just got my kettle bell in the main today. I ordered it so I...

        Thanks for the advice there is a park less than 100 meters from my house so I may start using the BWF equipment there.

        I'll actually just got my kettle bell in the main today. I ordered it so I could just do some lunges/squats with some extra weight

        4 votes
  3. [2]
    Deimos
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    The US reported their highest daily new-case count ever today, with 83,010. The previous highest was 76,842 on July 17. The large majority of the states are back into the "Where new cases are...

    The US reported their highest daily new-case count ever today, with 83,010. The previous highest was 76,842 on July 17.

    The large majority of the states are back into the "Where new cases are higher and staying high" section on the New York Times tracker.

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    1. spit-evil-olive-tips
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      Things are getting Real Bad in rural parts of the country, which previously may have thought themselves to be isolated enough to be at low risk. Panhandle of northern Idaho, for example: Kootenai...

      Things are getting Real Bad in rural parts of the country, which previously may have thought themselves to be isolated enough to be at low risk.

      Panhandle of northern Idaho, for example: Kootenai Health 99% full, may be forced to transfer patients to Seattle or Portland

      Idaho county drops mask mandate despite warning of overwhelmed hospital

      Moments after hearing an Idaho hospital was overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients and looking at sending people as far away as Seattle for care, members of a regional health department board voted Thursday to repeal a local mask mandate.

      But the board voted 4-3 to end the mask mandate. Board members overseeing the operations of Idaho's public health districts are appointed by county commissioners and not required to have any medical experience.

      This is a quote from someone on the public health board:

      Another member, Allen Banks, denied COVID-19 exists.

      "Something's making these people sick, and I'm pretty sure that it's not coronavirus, so the question that you should be asking is, 'What's making them sick?'" he told the medical professionals who testified

      edit: found an NYT interactive with graphs and maps showing much the same thing

      In particular, compare this map of rural counties that are being hit the hardest with this one showing current temperature (in Fahrenheit, here's the same map in normal units) (both screenshotted from DarkSky)

      Pretty clear correlation - cold rural counties are getting hit hard, presumably because everyone's forced inside. No one wants to eat outside in below-freezing weather.

      This makes me...not terribly optimistic about winter as it descends on the rest of the country.

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  4. vektor
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    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4 Looking pretty, that map. Red, btw. indicates that a district is exceeding the limit of 50 cases in the last week/100k...

    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4

    Looking pretty, that map. Red, btw. indicates that a district is exceeding the limit of 50 cases in the last week/100k inhabitants. That is the limit for when additional measures will be put in place. Dark red indicates > 100.

    Patience now. Batten down the hatches, don't freak out. Let's see what the measures of the last few weeks will achieve. Good thing I don't have to leave for anything but groceries.

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  5. Omnicrola
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    From reddit this morning: ‘Mini-lungs’ reveal early stages of SARS-CoV-2 infection

    From reddit this morning: ‘Mini-lungs’ reveal early stages of SARS-CoV-2 infection

    When the 3D models were exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the virus began to replicate rapidly, reaching full cellular infection just six hours after infection. Replication enables the virus to spread throughout the body, infecting other cells and tissue.

    Around the same time, the cells began to produce interferons – proteins that act as warning signals to neighbouring cells, telling them to activate their antiviral defences. After 48 hours, the interferons triggered the innate immune response – its first line of defence – and the cells started fighting back against infection.

    Sixty hours after infection, a subset of alveolar cells began to disintegrate, leading to cell death and damage to the lung tissue

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  6. [3]
    RapidEyeMovement
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    Lol...this is... interesting.

    Lol...this is... interesting.

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    1. monarda
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      I'm not a brave person so I would never be an early adopter of such a contraption, but I actually like it and would not mind if it was a thing.

      I'm not a brave person so I would never be an early adopter of such a contraption, but I actually like it and would not mind if it was a thing.

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    2. skybrian
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      Having that on your shoulders doesn't look comfortable, but I would wear it for Halloween.

      Having that on your shoulders doesn't look comfortable, but I would wear it for Halloween.

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  7. ohyran
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    The social experiment of reading US friends living in Sweden continue. As they are heavy consumers of liberal media from the US they see lack of mask wearing as some sort of selfishness, cruelty...

    The social experiment of reading US friends living in Sweden continue.

    As they are heavy consumers of liberal media from the US they see lack of mask wearing as some sort of selfishness, cruelty or idiocy on the non-wearers part. So when no one is wearing the masks they are literally freaking out.
    At the same time people who are Swedish freak out about them, as the reactions they have: often pointing out people or posting photos of groups of people outside their window - are seen as worse and directly inhuman or fire-and-brimstone-puritan by looking for individual guilt (the focus they all have of the bureucrat handling the covid recommendations from a research perspective is sort of telling - but fed at the same time by the Swedish media who see foreign press conferences and want to replicate them here - but in this case with someone who has no control over what is and isn't done: Anders Tegnell).

    The end result as of right now is that the Swedes seem to do what we do when we think someone is behaving irrational. Ignore them. So many of the people from the US have noticed that their Swedish friends stop commenting or being a part of their social media presence, and some shared Swedish friends have mentioned that they have stopped following them on social media as they are being irresponsible or in one example called "cruel and inhuman".

    Its fascinating as both groups live in the same area, but not in the same place. The area they exist in is defined objectively but the place is defined differently depending on what news you read or media you consume.

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