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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of November 2

This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!

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  1. [2]
    kfwyre
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    Usual personal update: I plan on doing a much longer writeup for my Timasomo project, but the less long of it is this: The goalposts have moved from "it's safe to open schools" to "it's not THAT...

    Usual personal update:

    I plan on doing a much longer writeup for my Timasomo project, but the short less long of it is this:

    The goalposts have moved from "it's safe to open schools" to "it's not THAT dangerous to have schools open". My district administration, who has patted themselves on the back every step of the way through their mismanagement of this, now sends out updates celebrating the "low" numbers of confirmed cases in our buildings. That's where we are: hooray for only a little COVID! Education is so mired in a faux, affected optimism that's divorced from actual realities that we can't even turn it off when we're almost a year into a global pandemic.

    The talking point has also moved from "kids can't get it" (which was always false) to "it doesn't spread in schools", which is partially true but has become a bit of a lie by omission. Because of the significant precautions we're taking, we're not seeing the kind of superspreader events in classrooms that we see elsewhere. Unfortunately, this reality is being used to give a false sense of security. Me and everyone I know has been beating the "BUT. WHAT. ABOUT. WINTER?" drum since July and have gone unheard the entire way.

    I can't speak for all schools, but part of the reason my school hasn't seen outbreaks from our positive cases yet is because we have the windows open and fans blowing air out constantly. Have I mentioned before that we bought the fans ourselves? We bought the fans ourselves. That strategy has gotten us this far, but we're now at a point where I'm layering up and wearing my heaviest winter coat to school, and I'm still shivering. Students are doing the same; freezing in their seats. It was recently in the 40s in my area, and even with the heaters going in our school, the outdoor temperature pretty much becomes the indoor one thanks to our ventilation needs. And as bad as it is in classes, it's even worse on the bus where everyone's next to a window and the moving air yields a de facto wind chill.

    There are potential solutions to this, but those required foresight, planning, and investment that hasn't happened. Our district just recently started distributing HEPA filters to classrooms, and I do have to give them credit -- I wasn't expecting that to actually happen. Unfortunately, the ones they got us are tiny and don't even come close to meeting minimum air changeovers for rooms of our size. My deeply ingrained pessimism also leads me to believe that they're doing this not as a genuine measure of safety but because it was the cheapest way of making it look like they were doing what they were supposed to. I understand that I sound like I'm ungrateful right now, but that's also part of the strategy: give just a little bit so that asking for anything more looks presumptuous.

    I'm sure as soon as the rollout is finished we'll get another missive about how all classrooms now have state-of-the-art air filtration, all while leaving out that we need about five of those devices per classroom in order to merely meet minimum standards.

    Because the filters we were issued are inadequate to protect us and our students, many teachers in my school, myself included, are buying our own higher-capacity HEPA filters to supplement the ones given to us, all at costs of several hundred dollars a pop. Have I mentioned before that we're buying these filters ourselves? We're buying the filters ourselves.

    I know I'm coming across as flippant and a little pissed off, but really I'm exhausted. Every single day at work I'm cold and I'm stressed and I'm afraid, and I'm supposed to be the even-tempered adult in the room. I come home exhausted even though I did little more than stand in one spot for most of the day, as there's literally nowhere I can move without coming within 6 feet of someone else. Teaching well with in this environment is next to impossible, so I feel like I'm doing a terrible job at my job, which I hate, but there's also a vindictive part of me that keeps saying that if my own district will only do the barest of minimums to assure safety for me and my students during a global pandemic, then why on earth should I invest anything more than the barest of minimums in my role for them?

    Anyone who has seen my other posts here about teaching know that I was already experiencing a loss of faith in the career in general, and the response to COVID has brought all of those issues into the sharpest of focuses. It always sounds callous for teachers to throw in the towel, because doing so always hurts the kids, but I'm tired of having that fact used against me as a way of letting everyone else that isn't a teacher off the hook. You know what's hurting the kids more than anything else right now? The fact that their teachers have to keep the windows open when it's 40 degrees outside because the district refused to consider and implement ventilation and filtration solutions in the seven months since we shut down for this pandemic in the first place.

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    1. Gaywallet
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      Administration is being flippant. As far as I can tell you're the only adult in the building. Keep fighting the good fight. You deserve to be pissed off and I'm pissed off too. This is not...

      I know I'm coming across as flippant and a little pissed off

      Administration is being flippant. As far as I can tell you're the only adult in the building. Keep fighting the good fight. You deserve to be pissed off and I'm pissed off too. This is not acceptable. You deserve better. The world is taking advantage of the fact that you care so that they don't have to accept any of the risk or any of the responsibility and it's not right.

      They aren't listening, so why should you keep playing their game? Time and time again large organizations and governments have proven that they only listen to money or collective action. Without an appropriate incentive, it's cheaper and easier for them to ignore it and count on others to solve the problem for them on their own dollar. The idea that you actively fighting against this status quo is harmful has to stop. I will never tell someone they should stop using their own resources to do good, but I will absolutely celebrate them fighting against a broken and corrupt system. It's not throwing in the towel, it's standing on your principles and that is worthy of respect.

      8 votes
  2. [5]
    andre
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    Twelve people are currently registered as infected with a mutated form of the coronavirus in Denmark, according to news wire Ritzau. The mutated virus is reported to respond weakly to antibodies.
    9 votes
    1. skybrian
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      From back in August: COVID-19 hits U.S. mink farms after ripping through Europe. Then in October: Thousands of minks dead in COVID-19 outbreak on Utah farms [...] Meanwhile in Mink-related news:...

      From back in August:

      COVID-19 hits U.S. mink farms after ripping through Europe.

      Even a nonzero chance that the virus could mutate and amplify in mink populations—before making a jump back into humans—is worrisome, Baldwin says. “Given we’re dealing with real people with families and husbands and wives,” he says, “that’s enough for me to consider this a very serious matter.”

      Then in October:

      Thousands of minks dead in COVID-19 outbreak on Utah farms

      The COVID-19 infections likely were spread from workers at the mink ranches to the animals, with no sign so far that the animals are spreading it to humans, said Dr. Dean Taylor, the state veterinarian, who is investigating the outbreak.

      “We genuinely don’t feel like there is much of a risk going from the mink to the people,” he said.

      [...]

      A study in the Netherlands found that the virus appeared to jump back and forth between people and minks, but the data so far remains limited.

      After the initial U.S. cases were confirmed, mink farms across Utah and the rest of the country implemented strict measures to prevent the disease from spreading, such as restricting access, conducting health checks on workers and disinfecting surfaces. The USDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have issued guidelines for farmed minks and other mustelids, a family of animals that also includes weasels and badgers.

      Meanwhile in Mink-related news:
      Battle Over Mink Fur Almost Brings Down the Polish Government

      Proposed legislation that would ban the farming of minks, semiaquatic mammals prized for their fur, and put in place a range of protections for other animals, opened deep divisions in the coalition that almost brought down the government.

      It took the intervention of Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the head of the dominant Law and Justice Party, to quell the uprising for now by taking on a formal role that allowed him to act as a buffer between opposing factions.

      The bill, which gained momentum after a documentary aired on Polish television showing minks living in deplorable conditions on one farm, has widespread public support and the leaders of the country’s foremost opposition party support the legislation.

      2 votes
    2. [2]
      skybrian
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      Is a dangerous new coronavirus strain circulating in farmed minks? [...]

      Is a dangerous new coronavirus strain circulating in farmed minks?

      The Danish prime minister described the mutated virus as “a serious risk to public health and to the development of a vaccine.” However, health minister Magnus Heunicke told the press briefing that there is no sign yet that the mutant virus causes more serious symptoms of covid-19.

      [...]

      There is no scientific publication about it. According to the newspaper report, the Danish State Serum Institute says the virus is sufficiently different from other circulating strains to mean that a vaccine may not work against it, though there is no information on the Institute’s website and it has not yet responded to New Scientist’s requests for comment. Up to now all circulating strains are thought to be similar enough that a single vaccine will immunise against all of them.

      The newspaper also said that the 12 infected people “have been found to have an impaired reaction to antibodies.” It is not clear what this means. It could be a mistranslation of “antibody response”, which could mean that the 12 individuals are producing previously unseen antibodies. That would strengthen the claim that the mutant virus may evade a vaccine.

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      1. skybrian
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        A bit more detail that boils down to "nobody knows but stay tuned": https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/11/05/dont-make-mine-mink

        A bit more detail that boils down to "nobody knows but stay tuned":

        I have been trying to find published details, but it seems to be too early, and the press reports are full of other baffled scientists waiting for information. The Serum Science Institute in Denmark seems to be the place where these effects were found, and they’ve shared their findings with the WHO and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control. But the actual results don’t seem to have been released yet. But if I’m translating this correctly, Kåre Mølbak of that institute said at a press conference that the situation is “very serious” and that the worst case would be a restarted pandemic spreading out of Denmark. The article also says, rather alarmingly, that “The Serum Institute estimates that five percent of the viral infections among people in North Jutland are of the new type of virus mutation“, and I would very much like to hear some more about that.

        https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/11/05/dont-make-mine-mink

        2 votes
    3. mrbig
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      We truly are in the worst timeline.

      We truly are in the worst timeline.

      1 vote
  3. kfwyre
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    COVID in Boston wastewater is now trending down, which is good to see.

    COVID in Boston wastewater is now trending down, which is good to see.

    7 votes
  4. [4]
    Deimos
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    The COVID Tracking Project reports 103,087 new cases in the US today, the first time over 100,000 and about 6000 / 6% higher than the previous high of 97,080 on October 30.

    The COVID Tracking Project reports 103,087 new cases in the US today, the first time over 100,000 and about 6000 / 6% higher than the previous high of 97,080 on October 30.

    6 votes
    1. [3]
      kfwyre
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      COVID Exit Strategy shows 40/50 states at the "uncontrolled spread" level.

      COVID Exit Strategy shows 40/50 states at the "uncontrolled spread" level.

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        Deimos
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        Similar on the New York Times tracker, with 41 areas in the "Where new cases are higher and staying high" category, and almost all of the rest in "Where new cases are lower but going up". Only 3...

        Similar on the New York Times tracker, with 41 areas in the "Where new cases are higher and staying high" category, and almost all of the rest in "Where new cases are lower but going up".

        Only 3 out of 54 are in the categories I would consider "positive":

        • Where new cases are higher but going down: Guam
        • Where new cases are lower and staying low: Louisiana and Hawaii
        4 votes
        1. MimicSquid
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          I can understand how Hawaii might be able to maintain border control and provide health care sufficient to keep cases low, but is there anyone writing about how Louisiana is managing that?

          I can understand how Hawaii might be able to maintain border control and provide health care sufficient to keep cases low, but is there anyone writing about how Louisiana is managing that?

          3 votes
  5. [6]
    Pistos
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    Not news, but I just wanted to say: I miss shaking people's hands when I meet them, and I miss hugging my relatives. It's been so long since I thought nothing of doing these things, but it looks...

    Not news, but I just wanted to say: I miss shaking people's hands when I meet them, and I miss hugging my relatives. It's been so long since I thought nothing of doing these things, but it looks like several months more (maybe a year or more) until we can feel at ease doing these things again. Definitely an era we all won't soon forget.

    6 votes
    1. Omnicrola
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      I miss these things too. I've threatened friends and coworkers (which due to when I started, I have never actually met most of them) that for the first month after it's "over" I'm wearing a shirt...

      I miss these things too. I've threatened friends and coworkers (which due to when I started, I have never actually met most of them) that for the first month after it's "over" I'm wearing a shirt that says something akin to:

      Overcompensating for lack of human contact. Automatic hug zone within 3ft of this shirt

      4 votes
    2. [4]
      cfabbro
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      Yeah, not being able to hug my nephew due to us still maintaining social distancing when he comes to visit us is killing me. He is only 6 and so doesn't really understand the situation, and when...

      Yeah, not being able to hug my nephew due to us still maintaining social distancing when he comes to visit us is killing me. He is only 6 and so doesn't really understand the situation, and when he said "I hate this virus, it's ruining everything" to us a few days ago when he was finally allowed to come visit us again after he finished his quarantine (for what thankfully turned out to only be mild bronchitis), it was absolutely heartbreaking to not be able to just give him a hug to comfort him. Using just words felt like such a hollow response to hearing him say something like that. :(

      4 votes
      1. [3]
        Adys
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        Okay, I'm going to put this out there. I'm not a medical professional and there are reasons why we ask people to make an effort to maintain social distancing. Still, you can hug your nephew,...

        Okay, I'm going to put this out there. I'm not a medical professional and there are reasons why we ask people to make an effort to maintain social distancing. Still, you can hug your nephew, especially if he's six.

        Don't breathe near his face. Avoid kissing. Wash your hands, both of you, beforehand. But a hug has stupidly low chances to transmit the virus if you're careful.

        I've said it before on tildes, and now that we know more about the virus it rings even more true: do not go to paranoid extremes to curb the spread, otherwise you might as well just dig a hole and never see people. Strike a balance.

        I understand that not everyone has time to study and understand the mechanisms that make this Coronavirus spread. It would be irresponsible not to tell people to maintain social distancing. But if you do understand these mechanisms, then you get to evaluate the risks on a case by case basis rather than play bureaucrat and deny anything that doesn't strictly match what advice a particular government has decided to give.

        Avoid unnecessary close contact. The hug you just described seems absolutely fucking necessary.

        5 votes
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          cfabbro
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          We have several elderly and immunocompromised people in our direct social circle (cancer is a bitch!), so as much as I appreciate your sentiment and wish we could just throw caution to the wind,...

          We have several elderly and immunocompromised people in our direct social circle (cancer is a bitch!), so as much as I appreciate your sentiment and wish we could just throw caution to the wind, unfortunately that would be pretty irresponsible of us... especially now that my nephew is attending kindergarten and playing on several sports teams again.

          4 votes
          1. Adys
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            Fair enough ;)

            Fair enough ;)

            3 votes
  6. skybrian
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    Spain rocked by second night of clashes over coronavirus measures [...]

    Spain rocked by second night of clashes over coronavirus measures

    Demonstrations against coronavirus restrictions turned into violent clashes between police and protesters in several Spanish cities for a second night on Saturday.

    Around 60 people were arrested and about 30 officers injured on Saturday night, El País reported, with clashes erupting in Madrid, Barcelona, Málaga and other cities. On Friday, demonstrations in several cities had similarly descended into violence.

    [...]

    On Thursday, the Spanish government decided to extend the state of emergency for six months and allowed the country’s regions to impose their own restrictions. As a result, some provinces introduced nighttime curfews and shut restaurants, bars and cultural venues.

    4 votes