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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of April 26

This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!

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  1. [3]
    hamstergeddon
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    After a year of masking up, rarely leaving the house, and not seeing any friends, COVID still found its way into our house last week. My mother-in-law got it from someone at work the week prior...

    After a year of masking up, rarely leaving the house, and not seeing any friends, COVID still found its way into our house last week. My mother-in-law got it from someone at work the week prior and despite quarantining herself as soon as she saw symptoms (days before testing), my wife ended up catching it. She had already gotten her first Pfizer shot, so I just want to remind folks that getting one shot means absolutely nothing. You can still catch/transmit it.

    Now fortunately I was a few days shy of being 2 weeks after my second Pfizer shot and I've been fine. And our kids (22mo twins) are fine as well, although there was a day or two last week where they both exhibited cold-like symptoms, aside from that they've been fine. My wife's nearing the end of the "everything is exhausting" stage, so hopefully she'll be feeling better in a few days.

    I'm a little nervous that either me or the kids have it and just aren't showing symptoms yet. I mean I should probably be fine since I'm not officially 2 weeks (and a few days) since my second shot, but I'm more worried about the kids anyway.

    11 votes
    1. [2]
      hhh
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      in fairness you can still get and transmit it after the second dose too. 15-28 days after the first dose there's a 60-85% reduction in potential symptomatic cases. that alone is almost as good as...

      She had already gotten her first Pfizer shot, so I just want to remind folks that getting one shot means absolutely nothing. You can still catch/transmit it.

      in fairness you can still get and transmit it after the second dose too. 15-28 days after the first dose there's a 60-85% reduction in potential symptomatic cases. that alone is almost as good as the j&j vaccine. antibodies appear to drop off after that though so the second shot still is important.

      Now fortunately I was a few days shy of being 2 weeks after my second Pfizer shot and I've been fine

      you probably are completely fine as pfizer's study used 7 days after the second dose, and antibodies peak within days of getting vaccinated

      And our kids (22mo twins) are fine as well, although there was a day or two last week where they both exhibited cold-like symptoms, aside from that they've been fine. My wife's nearing the end of the "everything is exhausting" stage, so hopefully she'll be feeling better in a few days.

      glad to hear that! it's good nobody ended up seriously ill. i hope your wife feels better.

      10 votes
      1. stu2b50
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        I wouldn't make these kind of equivalencies. The effectiveness rates are not done as comparative scientific studies; there is so many confounding variables that they are almost useless for that...

        5-28 days after the first dose there's a 60-85% reduction in potential symptomatic cases. that alone is almost as good as the j&j vaccine.

        I wouldn't make these kind of equivalencies. The effectiveness rates are not done as comparative scientific studies; there is so many confounding variables that they are almost useless for that purpose. The only conclusions that should derived from them is that the vaccines seem to be effective at a particular time, with a particular population, and that's a pretty good sign.

        8 votes
  2. [6]
    HotPants
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    Miami school bars vaccinated teachers from seeing students No. They are not barring unvaccinated teachers. They are barring vaccinated teachers.

    Miami school bars vaccinated teachers from seeing students

    No.

    They are not barring unvaccinated teachers.

    They are barring vaccinated teachers.

    8 votes
    1. [5]
      Adys
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      You say "they", but to me this sounds like the doing of one antivax person with an agenda and way too much power. I think this matters because when you put it this way, it's a very fixable...

      You say "they", but to me this sounds like the doing of one antivax person with an agenda and way too much power.

      I think this matters because when you put it this way, it's a very fixable problem: Find the names of the people involved, root it all out to expose it and get it shit-listed forever. I bet you a good PI could figure it out, expose the money/corruption behind this.

      Whereas "They are barring vaccinated teachers" sounds like The System doing everything in Its Power to keep Us down.

      2 votes
      1. [3]
        cfabbro
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        No PI needed. The article makes it pretty clear who is behind the policy decisions at this particular school and what their motivation is (they're "health freedom advocates").

        No PI needed. The article makes it pretty clear who is behind the policy decisions at this particular school and what their motivation is (they're anti-vax idiots "health freedom advocates").

        Co-founder Leila Centner informed parents on Monday that, when possible, the academy's policy is to not employ anyone who has received a Covid-19 vaccine at this time, CBS Miami reported.

        In a letter last week to staff, first reported by the New York Times, Mrs Centner said teachers must notify the school if they had already received the jab.

        "We cannot allow recently vaccinated people to be near our students until more information is known," Mrs Centner wrote.

        Teachers who wait to get vaccinated after the school year ends will be allowed to return only when clinical trials on the vaccine are completed, assuming a position at the school is still available.

        Mrs Centner also repeated a false claim of vaccinated individuals affecting unvaccinated people, saying three women in the school's community had their menstrual cycles "impacted after having spent time with a vaccinated person".

        There is no scientific evidence for these claims. None of the coronavirus vaccines approved for emergency in the US have been linked to infertility, miscarriages or any other negative changes to women's reproductive health.

        Mrs Centner and her husband David Centner have described themselves as "health freedom advocates", providing guidance for parents at the Centner Academy to file for exemptions from vaccine requirements in the past.

        Mrs Centner has frequently shared anti-vaccine content on Facebook, according to the Times.

        David and Leila Centner, founders of the Centner Academy have described themselves as 'health freedom advocates'

        In a response to questions from US media, a representative for Mrs Centner said that the school was not "100 percent sure that Covid injections are safe and there are too many unknown variables for us to feel comfortable at this current time".

        7 votes
        1. psi
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          Ironic how "health freedom" somehow precludes the freedom to get vaccinated. It's almost as if it's not about freedom at all...

          they're "health freedom advocates"

          Ironic how "health freedom" somehow precludes the freedom to get vaccinated. It's almost as if it's not about freedom at all...

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        2. spit-evil-olive-tips
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          Directly from her statement: I suppose no level of bullshit from anti-vaxxers should surprise me anymore...but goddamn. This makes "vaccines cause autism" look almost reasonable by comparison. And...

          Mrs Centner also repeated a false claim of vaccinated individuals affecting unvaccinated people, saying three women in the school's community had their menstrual cycles "impacted after having spent time with a vaccinated person".

          Directly from her statement:

          Anecdotally, tens of thousands of women all over the world have recently been reporting adverse reproductive issues simply from being in close proximity with those who have received any one of the COVID-19 injections, e.g., irregular menses, bleeding, miscarriages, post-menopausal hemorrhaging, and amenorrhea (complete loss of menstruation).

          No one knows exactly what may be causing these irregularities, but it appears that those who have received the injections may be transmitting something from their bodies to those with whom they come in contact. Until more is known, we must err on the side of caution when it comes to the welfare of our students and the school team.

          I suppose no level of bullshit from anti-vaxxers should surprise me anymore...but goddamn. This makes "vaccines cause autism" look almost reasonable by comparison.

          And the wording of "transmitting something from their bodies" makes me suspect this is written to indulge the "vaccine is a 5G microchip" people.

          6 votes
      2. petrichor
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        Their school costs $30,000 a year (for middle schoolers). With that much money involved, I strongly suspect they have the support of some of, if not a majority, of the parents enrolling their...

        Their school costs $30,000 a year (for middle schoolers). With that much money involved, I strongly suspect they have the support of some of, if not a majority, of the parents enrolling their children.

        1 vote
  3. [7]
    skybrian
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    CDC says fully vaccinated Americans can go without masks outdoors, except in crowded settings

    CDC says fully vaccinated Americans can go without masks outdoors, except in crowded settings

    [T]he guidance also says even unvaccinated individuals may go without masks when walking, jogging or biking outdoors with household members. However, officials caution that crowded outdoor settings still pose risks and urge everyone — both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals — to wear masks when attending sporting events, live performances and parades.

    7 votes
    1. [5]
      cfabbro
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      How are you supposed to tell who is vaccinated and who isn't though? This seems like a really premature recommendation to make at this point, especially with herd immunity not reached yet and the...

      How are you supposed to tell who is vaccinated and who isn't though? This seems like a really premature recommendation to make at this point, especially with herd immunity not reached yet and the much more transmissible and deadly variant from India potentially in the wild now. All the anti-maskers who aren't vaccinated (and may never be) are also likely going to be even more bold, blatant and harder to deal with now that they have plausible deniability and a more "legitimate" excuse for not wearing one, and so potentially spread the virus even more than they already were. This feels like a remarkably dumb move by the CDC, IMO.

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      1. stu2b50
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        I think the weird part is the specification of vaccinated people. Overall I don't mind the order repeal, there's been a significant amount of evidence pointing to the fact that outdoor spread at a...

        I think the weird part is the specification of vaccinated people. Overall I don't mind the order repeal, there's been a significant amount of evidence pointing to the fact that outdoor spread at a reasonable distance is unlikely to the degree of being negligible, but I don't see the point in specifying "vaccinated" since it's functionally impractical to check if someone randomly outdoors is vaccinated in the US.

        5 votes
      2. [3]
        skybrian
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        I think it means that from an etiquette point of view, we just let people use their own judgement outdoors? There’s no real enforcement anyway, we aren’t cops, and other people aren’t much of a...

        I think it means that from an etiquette point of view, we just let people use their own judgement outdoors? There’s no real enforcement anyway, we aren’t cops, and other people aren’t much of a risk in that environment, not directly anyway.

        Indoors, it’s the same as before.

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        1. [2]
          cfabbro
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          TBH, the judgement of Americans is not something I am ready to put my trust in quite yet, given the fact 74M of you voted for Trump this last election. ;)

          TBH, the judgement of Americans is not something I am ready to put my trust in quite yet, given the fact 74M of you voted for Trump this last election. ;)

          7 votes
          1. skybrian
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            True, but getting vaccinated means you don’t need to care as much about other people’s poor judgement, and at least in the US we’re getting to the point where most people can do that. There are a...

            True, but getting vaccinated means you don’t need to care as much about other people’s poor judgement, and at least in the US we’re getting to the point where most people can do that.

            There are a lot of other partisan issues to argue about, but the stakes over masking will soon be low enough that we can start treating others being anti-mask as just another weird belief.

            3 votes
  4. Parliament
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    We've definitely plateaued on vaccinations in my county... at only 37%. Been stuck in that range for a couple weeks even though the county health department is practically begging people to come...

    We've definitely plateaued on vaccinations in my county... at only 37%. Been stuck in that range for a couple weeks even though the county health department is practically begging people to come get shots. I have no faith that we will ever reach herd immunity unless some kind of incentive program is implemented nationwide.

    6 votes
  5. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Pacific Northwest faces shutdowns amid rising virus cases I posted a little over a month ago that I thought we were reopening too early and surprise! March 22nd Washington moved to 50% indoor...

    Pacific Northwest faces shutdowns amid rising virus cases

    Oregon Gov. Kate Brown is putting 15 counties that encompass the state’s biggest cities into the state's extreme risk category starting Friday, imposing restrictions that include banning indoor restaurant dining. As Brown issued her order on Tuesday, she said rising COVID-19 hospitalizations threaten to overwhelm doctors.

    Washington Gov. Jay Inslee is expected to order new restrictions next week for several counties, likely including the state’s largest, that would force businesses and churches to reduce their indoor gathering capacity from 50% to 25%.

    I posted a little over a month ago that I thought we were reopening too early and surprise!

    March 22nd Washington moved to 50% indoor capacity for restaurants and gyms. It wasn't until April 15th that they opened up vaccine eligibility to anyone over 16. Seems backwards to me.

    Here in Seattle we're at least doing a really good job of vaccination. The more rural parts of Washington and Oregon, not so much:

    For example, the public health director for northern Oregon’s Umatilla County, which was downgraded Tuesday from the moderate to the high-risk category, told state officials it can send last week’s vaccine allocation somewhere else and will likely do so again this week.

    “Our demand level is dropping dramatically,” Public Health Director Joe Fiumara told the East Oregonian newspaper. The county has about 6,000 doses and last week administered fewer than 500 as health department staff sat idly, waiting for people to arrive for vaccinations.

    (for anyone unfamiliar with the region, despite the liberal reputation of cities like Seattle and Portland, east of the Cascades it gets very rural and conservative...the occupation of the Malheur wildlife refuge happened in eastern Oregon, for example)

    5 votes
  6. grahamiam
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    Taiwan started vaccinations about a month ago but had lower signups than expected from high risk groups. Instead of moving to other general population groups, they've opened it up to anyone,...

    Taiwan started vaccinations about a month ago but had lower signups than expected from high risk groups. Instead of moving to other general population groups, they've opened it up to anyone, including noncitizens, who plans to travel internationally for reasons other than tourism soon.

    As a result I am scheduled to receive the first AZ shot next Friday. It seems like it has a higher association with a few days of fever and headache afterwards, so I have a weekend of that to look forward to.

    I'm not planning on leaving Taiwan until late August, so I don't really need the vaccine right now, but who knows what the future looks like, so I'm getting it done now.

    Lot of emotions about the possibility of visiting the US in the near future. There are several people who were in my life who I haven't really kept in contact with since moving, some guilt there. We'll see what happens.

    5 votes
  7. cfabbro
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    Brazil says Russian Covid vaccine carried live cold virus

    Brazil says Russian Covid vaccine carried live cold virus

    Tainted batches of Russia's Sputnik V Covid vaccine sent to Brazil carried a live version of a common cold-causing virus, the South American country's health regulator reported in a presentation explaining its decision to ban the drug's import.

    Top virologist Angela Rasmussen told AFP the finding "raises questions about the integrity of the manufacturing processes" and could be a safety issue for people with weaker immune systems, if the problem was found to be widespread.

    Rasmussen, a research scientist at Canada's Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization, described the error as a quality control issue, rather than a problem inherent to the technology.

    5 votes
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    mrbig
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    More than 20 cities in Brazil are suffering with vaccine shortages for the second shot. Thousands of people are in risk of having less effective immunization.

    More than 20 cities in Brazil are suffering with vaccine shortages for the second shot. Thousands of people are in risk of having less effective immunization.

    5 votes
    1. skybrian
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      The UK delayed the second shot on purpose so that more people can be vaccinated. Given the circumstances, it seems like a good idea? Really, everyone should do this. But convincing people to...

      The UK delayed the second shot on purpose so that more people can be vaccinated. Given the circumstances, it seems like a good idea?

      Really, everyone should do this. But convincing people to conserve vaccine for the benefit of other countries is a difficult sell.

      1 vote
  9. cfabbro
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    India's Covid-19 death toll passes 200,000 as WHO says variant found in 17 countries

    India's Covid-19 death toll passes 200,000 as WHO says variant found in 17 countries

    A total of 201,187 people have now died, 3,293 of them in the past day, according to health ministry data, although many experts suspect that the true toll is higher.

    The worsening health crisis came as the World Health Organization warned on Tuesday that the new Covid-19 variant, identified as B.1.617, had been detected in over 1,200 sequences uploaded to the GISAID open-access database "from at least 17 countries".

    "Most sequences were uploaded from India, the United Kingdom, USA and Singapore," the WHO said in its weekly epidemiological update on the pandemic on Tuesday.

    The WHO recently listed B.1.617 -- which counts several sub-lineages with slightly different mutations and characteristics -- as a "variant of interest".

    But so far it has stopped short of declaring it a "variant of concern".

    That label would indicate that it is more dangerous than the original version of the virus by for instance being more transmissible, deadly or able to dodge vaccine protections.

    4 votes
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    skybrian
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    Biden’s Covid team split over decision to send vaccine doses abroad (Politico) [...] [...]

    Biden’s Covid team split over decision to send vaccine doses abroad (Politico)

    The sudden decision, made at the highest levels, came after more than a month of intense internal debate. Senior officials in the White House and National Security Council had repeatedly rebuffed requests from leaders of health agencies, the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development to send doses abroad. The officials backing the exports cited weekly internal projections that showed the U.S. would have tens of millions of doses to spare. Their opponents urged Biden to wait until the U.S. had authorized more shot makers and was further along in its own vaccination campaign.

    [...]

    An FDA inspection earlier this month found that Emergent had not adequately addressed the issues that led to the contamination at its Baltimore plant. And AstraZeneca has not announced another manufacturing partner, though two individuals with knowledge of the situation say the company is eyeing a new, well-known contractor in the U.S.

    [...]

    Administration officials across the White House, State Department and health agencies have for weeks debated sending abroad doses from J&J, AstraZeneca and a third company — Novavax, which is expected to seek U.S. authorization this summer — either through COVAX or directly to certain countries, according to three people familiar with the matter, including two senior administration officials. But top White House aides have repeatedly quashed those plans, citing concerns about future production issues and the need to ensure the U.S. can meet demand at home.

    The debate came to a head in early March when a cross-agency group focused on the Covid-19 response that included top staffers at HHS, CDC and USAID pushed the administration to begin donating potentially hundreds of millions of doses over the next five months, according to three people with knowledge of the matter. Supporters used the internal vaccine supply projections to make their case, showing the U.S. had a plethora of doses that it could ship to countries in need.

    Yet top White House aides rejected that recommendation over concerns that the domestic stockpile was not large enough yet — and that the optics of sending doses abroad during a big push to make vaccines more available to U.S. citizens. In subsequent weeks they repeatedly overruled administration health experts who felt it was a mistake to keep millions of doses in storage as outbreaks intensified across the world.

    4 votes
    1. rosco
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      It is pretty disappointing that optics have led us to hoard the vaccine. What a travesty.

      It is pretty disappointing that optics have led us to hoard the vaccine. What a travesty.

      1 vote