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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of April 26
This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!
After a year of masking up, rarely leaving the house, and not seeing any friends, COVID still found its way into our house last week. My mother-in-law got it from someone at work the week prior and despite quarantining herself as soon as she saw symptoms (days before testing), my wife ended up catching it. She had already gotten her first Pfizer shot, so I just want to remind folks that getting one shot means absolutely nothing. You can still catch/transmit it.
Now fortunately I was a few days shy of being 2 weeks after my second Pfizer shot and I've been fine. And our kids (22mo twins) are fine as well, although there was a day or two last week where they both exhibited cold-like symptoms, aside from that they've been fine. My wife's nearing the end of the "everything is exhausting" stage, so hopefully she'll be feeling better in a few days.
I'm a little nervous that either me or the kids have it and just aren't showing symptoms yet. I mean I should probably be fine since I'm not officially 2 weeks (and a few days) since my second shot, but I'm more worried about the kids anyway.
in fairness you can still get and transmit it after the second dose too. 15-28 days after the first dose there's a 60-85% reduction in potential symptomatic cases. that alone is almost as good as the j&j vaccine. antibodies appear to drop off after that though so the second shot still is important.
you probably are completely fine as pfizer's study used 7 days after the second dose, and antibodies peak within days of getting vaccinated
glad to hear that! it's good nobody ended up seriously ill. i hope your wife feels better.
I wouldn't make these kind of equivalencies. The effectiveness rates are not done as comparative scientific studies; there is so many confounding variables that they are almost useless for that purpose. The only conclusions that should derived from them is that the vaccines seem to be effective at a particular time, with a particular population, and that's a pretty good sign.
Miami school bars vaccinated teachers from seeing students
No.
They are not barring unvaccinated teachers.
They are barring vaccinated teachers.
You say "they", but to me this sounds like the doing of one antivax person with an agenda and way too much power.
I think this matters because when you put it this way, it's a very fixable problem: Find the names of the people involved, root it all out to expose it and get it shit-listed forever. I bet you a good PI could figure it out, expose the money/corruption behind this.
Whereas "They are barring vaccinated teachers" sounds like The System doing everything in Its Power to keep Us down.
No PI needed. The article makes it pretty clear who is behind the policy decisions at this particular school and what their motivation is (they're
anti-vax idiots"health freedom advocates").Ironic how "health freedom" somehow precludes the freedom to get vaccinated. It's almost as if it's not about freedom at all...
Directly from her statement:
I suppose no level of bullshit from anti-vaxxers should surprise me anymore...but goddamn. This makes "vaccines cause autism" look almost reasonable by comparison.
And the wording of "transmitting something from their bodies" makes me suspect this is written to indulge the "vaccine is a 5G microchip" people.
Their school costs $30,000 a year (for middle schoolers). With that much money involved, I strongly suspect they have the support of some of, if not a majority, of the parents enrolling their children.
CDC says fully vaccinated Americans can go without masks outdoors, except in crowded settings
How are you supposed to tell who is vaccinated and who isn't though? This seems like a really premature recommendation to make at this point, especially with herd immunity not reached yet and the much more transmissible and deadly variant from India potentially in the wild now. All the anti-maskers who aren't vaccinated (and may never be) are also likely going to be even more bold, blatant and harder to deal with now that they have plausible deniability and a more "legitimate" excuse for not wearing one, and so potentially spread the virus even more than they already were. This feels like a remarkably dumb move by the CDC, IMO.
I think the weird part is the specification of vaccinated people. Overall I don't mind the order repeal, there's been a significant amount of evidence pointing to the fact that outdoor spread at a reasonable distance is unlikely to the degree of being negligible, but I don't see the point in specifying "vaccinated" since it's functionally impractical to check if someone randomly outdoors is vaccinated in the US.
I think it means that from an etiquette point of view, we just let people use their own judgement outdoors? There’s no real enforcement anyway, we aren’t cops, and other people aren’t much of a risk in that environment, not directly anyway.
Indoors, it’s the same as before.
TBH, the judgement of Americans is not something I am ready to put my trust in quite yet, given the fact 74M of you voted for Trump this last election. ;)
True, but getting vaccinated means you don’t need to care as much about other people’s poor judgement, and at least in the US we’re getting to the point where most people can do that.
There are a lot of other partisan issues to argue about, but the stakes over masking will soon be low enough that we can start treating others being anti-mask as just another weird belief.
Zeynep Tufekci is unimpressed. I’m not sure what she is recommending, though.
The CDC Is Still Repeating Its Mistakes. The agency’s new guidelines are too timid and too complicated.
Brazil says Russian Covid vaccine carried live cold virus
We've definitely plateaued on vaccinations in my county... at only 37%. Been stuck in that range for a couple weeks even though the county health department is practically begging people to come get shots. I have no faith that we will ever reach herd immunity unless some kind of incentive program is implemented nationwide.
Pacific Northwest faces shutdowns amid rising virus cases
I posted a little over a month ago that I thought we were reopening too early and surprise!
March 22nd Washington moved to 50% indoor capacity for restaurants and gyms. It wasn't until April 15th that they opened up vaccine eligibility to anyone over 16. Seems backwards to me.
Here in Seattle we're at least doing a really good job of vaccination. The more rural parts of Washington and Oregon, not so much:
(for anyone unfamiliar with the region, despite the liberal reputation of cities like Seattle and Portland, east of the Cascades it gets very rural and conservative...the occupation of the Malheur wildlife refuge happened in eastern Oregon, for example)
More than 20 cities in Brazil are suffering with vaccine shortages for the second shot. Thousands of people are in risk of having less effective immunization.
The UK delayed the second shot on purpose so that more people can be vaccinated. Given the circumstances, it seems like a good idea?
Really, everyone should do this. But convincing people to conserve vaccine for the benefit of other countries is a difficult sell.
India's Covid-19 death toll passes 200,000 as WHO says variant found in 17 countries
Biden’s Covid team split over decision to send vaccine doses abroad (Politico)
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It is pretty disappointing that optics have led us to hoard the vaccine. What a travesty.