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Vaccination appears to protect well, but not perfectly, against variant B.1.617.2

@Prof. Christina Pagel:
1. THREAD on vaccines, "Indian" variant, Bolton and the summer.Bolton currently has 18 patients in hospital with Covid, 12 no jab, 5 one jab, 1 both jabs (who was frail).What are the implications? https://t.co/RNBQBIqlbT11 tweets. pic.twitter.com/H85dmohHnn

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  1. [6]
    teaearlgraycold
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    People are worried about low vaccination rates allowing for variants that aren’t blocked by vaccines. I think worst case is that we end up back where we were in March of 2020 again, but this time...

    People are worried about low vaccination rates allowing for variants that aren’t blocked by vaccines. I think worst case is that we end up back where we were in March of 2020 again, but this time with an almost working vaccine to start from. And for round 2 vaccines will absolutely be mandatory everywhere. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice and it’s a criminal act to dodge the vaccination campaign.“

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    1. [3]
      cloud_loud
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      It would be interesting to see if that worst case scenario happens. I don’t know how most people would react to a mandatory vaccine, I imagine there’d be protests and cries of a tyrannical government.

      It would be interesting to see if that worst case scenario happens. I don’t know how most people would react to a mandatory vaccine, I imagine there’d be protests and cries of a tyrannical government.

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      1. tan
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        Worse than that, trust in vaccination and health authorities generally would take a dive, making the whole situation even worse.

        Worse than that, trust in vaccination and health authorities generally would take a dive, making the whole situation even worse.

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      2. teaearlgraycold
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        Realistically it would be more likely a prohibitive fine than a criminal charge. There’s legal precedence for that. As for the outcry - fuck ‘em. It’ll be the death throes of an old...

        Realistically it would be more likely a prohibitive fine than a criminal charge. There’s legal precedence for that.

        As for the outcry - fuck ‘em. It’ll be the death throes of an old ultra-individualist mindset.

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      DaveJarvis
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      Tread carefully, for here be dragons.

      Bodily integrity is the inviolability of the physical body and emphasizes the importance of personal autonomy, self-ownership, and self-determination of human beings over their own bodies. In the field of human rights, violation of the bodily integrity of another is regarded as an unethical infringement, intrusive, and possibly criminal.

      Tread carefully, for here be dragons.

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      1. MimicSquid
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        The WHO has you covered.

        The WHO has you covered.

        Vaccination should be voluntary unless it becomes critical to “prevent a concrete and serious harm”.30 The degree of risk to communities will determine to what extent individual rights may be restricted. Where the threat of widespread, serious infectious disease is imminent, individual liberties may be justifiably curtailed.31 The Siracusa Principles endorsed by the United Nations Economic and Social Council state that: “Public health may be invoked as a ground for limiting certain rights in order to allow a State to take measures dealing with a serious threat to the health of the population or individual members of the population. These measures must be specifically aimed at preventing disease or injury or providing care for the sick and injured”.32 It may thus be permissible for those in authority to restrict individual autonomy to prevent harm to others. Although this approach has been limited to immediate or direct threat under traditional public health law, it should arguably be extended to what is “reasonably foreseeable” based on epidemiology and historical occurrence.33 If the risk to health is extremely high, individuals should not be allowed to compromise group protection and communal rights.34–36

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  2. [3]
    DanBC
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    B.1.617.2 is the "Indian" or "Boris" variant. Recent data in the UK shows the variant is very worrying (more transmissible than the Kent variant), but also that vaccination appears to strongly...

    B.1.617.2 is the "Indian" or "Boris" variant. Recent data in the UK shows the variant is very worrying (more transmissible than the Kent variant), but also that vaccination appears to strongly protect against it.

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