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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of July 12
This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!
One thing that's been bothering me lately is the lack of a formal end condition for the pandemic in a given region. I am starting to hear phrases like "[some past event happened] during the pandemic" or "[now we are] post-pandemic." But as far as I can tell, there's no consensus about this. I'm thankful that cases are presently low where I live, but my kids still can't get vaccinated. Until they do, I can't act as if this thing is behind us. Sure, my vaccine restored a lot of my personal normalcy but our family lifestyle is still dominated by masking and social distancing, for the kids' sake. Even apart from that I'm constantly concerned about new variants and breakthrough infections for myself.
Does anyone else have the creeping suspicion that these declarations of the pandemic's end are both premature, and based on little more than wishful thinking?
I would feel a lot better if there was some objective, formalized criteria for marking the end. Currently there's just too much room for political biases muddying the waters, and on the flip side when things truly are "over" it would be comforting to acknowledge that officially so people don't continue to worry needlessly.
Where I'm from (Singapore), the government intends to declare covid-19 as endemic some time in the future after a certain percentage of the population has been vaccinated.
IMO, it seems to be the most logical approach, since there can be enough certainties to come up with conditions to transition out of covid being a pandemic, and though it might not be an actual end, actually feels like progress.
Yup, that's reasonable. You basically have two well-defined endpoints. If the level of immunization (from any cause) is at an equilibrium in the balance of infections vs (loss of immunity && Population replacement), then it is obviously endemic. If level of immunization is zero, it's obviously epidemic/pandemic. Somewhere in between those two extremes, you're going to have to draw a line. Since the equilibrium is moving about, you're just going to have to pick a level of immunization and go with it. With the major industrial nations sitting at 40-70% vaccination (depending on if you count partly vaccinated) +X% recovered, these countries are certainly closer to endemic status than epidemic.
I don't think it'd be unreasonable to call the pandemic over in some of those highly vaccinated countries. Then again, because of non-random vaccine distribution, there might be clusters left that are still susceptible where the disease will keep on spreading. Case numbers might prove me wrong, I suppose.
Are your kids in a special risk group?
Although cases are mostly pretty low in the US, the trends look bad: Current state of affairs: July 12.
I've never seen this site before - looks interesting. Do they typically post daily updates?
It's new to me as well. looking at archives, they seem to be blogging irregularly?
Question for the crowd: what does vaccine availability and uptake look like in your area/region?
According to my state's vaccination website, half of the population of my state has been given their first dose, while 16 or so % has been fully/"properly" vaccinated. Given we're vaccinating 40 year olds right now (they're vaccinating people by oldest to youngest), it seems most people are okay with the vaccines and are taking them up. Not so sure about availability, I saw an article suggesting the government is going to need to stop for a little to get some more vaccines but I'm honestly following local news rather little.
For those who haven’t been following, there’s another promising vaccine on the way.
The estimates in this story seem dubious because it's not like anyone can do a survey, but it still sounds pretty serious.
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My brother is doing clinicals at a hospital in OC, and they're seeing kids coming in with COVID. As a student, they're keeping him away from the COVID patients. I'm mostly bracing for yet another semester of online classes at this point, even though I'd much rather be doing them in person. He's also getting married next month, but this may throw a wrench in the works, which is messed up because they specifically planned it to try to find a time after we'd managed to deal with this pandemic.
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I’m wondering when they got the vaccine, and which one? If everyone was vaccinated, does this mean herd immunity is impossible?
Given it’s the UK, there’s a high a probability they were using the AZ vaccine which is apparently less effective against the delta variant than the mRNA-based shots. Herd-immunity is still possible against the delta variant but it’s probably going to be less likely in countries with widespread anti-vax sentiment (the first half of this article talks a bit about what the new requirements for herd-immunity might look like).
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