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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of November 15
This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!
Pfizer doses and Moderna booster give more protection than 3 Pfizer jabs
(I just got the Moderna booster on top of two Pfizer doses, thanks @kfwyre!)
How do I get a Moderna booster? I didn’t think you could ask for a specific vaccine.
Presuming you are American....
Specific locations typically offer only one booster.
If you sign up through Walgreens or CVS, when you go to make an appointment, it should give you a list of stores and show which booster each location is offering.
Current CDC recommendation is to stick with the same booster as the original shots, but I was comfortable mixing and matching, so I lied during registration and said my previous shot was Moderna, which gave me the option to see stores that offered the Moderna booster.
In store, they confirmed my previous shot was Pfizer, and I confirmed I understood they only had Moderna boosters in the store.
I can confirm this, I signed up online for a Walgreens appointment, and it specified that all they had was Moderna. I had a J&J previously, they had no issues with that.
I got the Moderna booster a week or so ago for that exact reason. Thanks to my sister-in-law who is a nurse practitioner for tipping me off to that info!
I'm happy for you! Glad you were able to get it.
Yes, and it's kicking my ass. Why do little itsy-bitsy do-nothing spiky proteins kick my ass so thoroughly?
Your immune system takes this threat seriously.
Yes, but the flu vaccine does not kick my ass.
Is the COVID vaccine a higher dose, or are the spiky proteans causing a more rigorous response?
I don't know how dosage relates to immune system response, but I doubt it's linear.
I vaguely remember reading about how they went with high doses to make sure it would be effective enough to pass the FDA, what with it being an emergency and all? There has been some discussion and study of how smaller doses would probably be good enough and stretch the vaccine supply, back when that was more important.
The Pfizer booster is the same dose as the original and the Moderna booster is half the dose of the original. It's up to the manufacturer what they want to test and I don't know why they chose that.
I thought Moderna was more effective long term because it had a higher dosage by about 3x.
It will be interesting to see how effective the boosters are, given that both Moderna and Pfizer are similar dosages...
I think it also has to do with the novelty of it. With a flu vaccine, you've already had a lifetime of exposure to that virus or something very close to it. So your immune system reacts very quickly, because it remembers it and can ramp up the response quickly enough that the side effects aren't needed. With COVID, the virus (or the mRNA produced protein spikes) are novel enough that the immune system goes "oh crap, whats this" and slams into full defense mode. Which is the aches, fever, and other side effects.
Most of the side effects and flu symptoms aren't actually because of the virus, it's because of the immune response to there being a foreign invader. Having a stuffy nose is like Madagascar screaming "CLOSE ALL THE PORTS!".
NYC Says Any Adult Can Now Get A COVID Booster Shot
New York City joins three states (California, Colorado, and New Mexico) in overriding more restrictive federal recommendations for booster shots. They say it’s all good, though:
That seems legalistic and I wonder if the people at the FDA and CDC who wrote the rules actually had this in mind? The Biden administration probably is fine with it since they wanted booster shots for everyone. The people at the FDA and the CDC disagreed, but I doubt they would go to court now that they’re being routed around.
Governance can be tricky. Even in other states, what happens in practice is based on whatever people getting booster shots think the rules are, what the forms say, how willing people are willing to lie on forms, and whether the health care providers decide to do anything if they suspect something.
My wife and I got boosters on Saturday. We went to a walk-in clinic because online forms didn’t seem to be updated for California’s new rules. There was a long line and they ran out of forms in English so they gave us Spanish ones. We used Google Translate to fill out the entire form, but it seemed like they only cared about a few entries. This is probably because at the head of the line there were people entering the data into laptops, so I suppose they would have asked about anything we didn’t fill out.
All U.S. adults now eligible for Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccine booster shots after CDC gives final OK
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Michigan is now worst COVID-19 hot spot in nation; hospitals pushed to capacity
German government completely dropped the ball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_Germany#New_cases_per_day - we're seeing ridiculously high daily case numbers, higher than it's ever been. We're finally now seeing govt. action, but it's not nearly strong enough. Healthcare systems are already at capacity in some regions. Waiting 2h for an ICU bed for a stroke patient and stuff like that. It's going to get worse too before it gets better. Heavy seas ahead, I'd say. Even if the newly imposed measures have the desired effect, the bulk of new infections is not yet at a stage where they need intensive care. Once they do, it's going to get ugly. Even more so if measures don't have a strong effect, which I doubt they will.
Over a Million Americans May Have Permanently Lost Their Sense of Smell to Covid-19
Gates Foundation Offers $4 Million to Fix Syringe Shortage for Covid Shots (Bloomberg)
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Across Europe, protests swell against pandemic restrictions