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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of November 22
This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!
My two children, ages 6 & 11, just received their first dose 2.5 weeks ago. Both handled them well, with no appreciable side-effects. They'll receive their second shots this Saturday. Here's to having the entire family vaxxed!
Biden admin announces travel ban for South Africa and 7 other countries, citing new variant
Other places with restrictions include Canada, the UK, and the EU.
Belgium confirms case of new, heavily mutated Covid variant
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BBC News: Covid: New variant classed 'of concern' and named Omicron.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-59438723
Omicron sounds like a supervillain name, so good branding.
Covid: Dozens test positive on South Africa - Netherlands flights
US Rates of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 hospitalizations by vaccination status (CDC)
You can get a breakdown by age, too.
So a while back, this study pre-print on COVID immunity was published on medRxiv.
The reason why I'm bringing this up is that I have noticed that the anti-vaxxers are crawling all over the place and using this as an excuse why people should not get vaccinated.
This study has not yet been peer reviewed, so scientific consensus is still on the side of vaccines providing the best immunity.
AFAIK this is the only study that posits that natural post-exposure immunity is better than vaccine-induced immunity, so any third-party article with this claim is likely talking about this study.
So if you see anyone spouting this claim, please make sure to call them out about how this study may not be reliable and consensus still says that you're best getting vaccinated.
yeah, "natural immunity" as an alternative to vaccination has been a really pernicious anti-vax talking point.
(also, just calling it "natural" immunity is I think extremely misleading / very effective branding - if you catch covid, are kept alive in the hospital by a ventilator and a pile of drugs and various other artificial methods, once you get discharged from the hospital you supposedly have "natural" immunity)
however strong someone's post-infection immunity is, being vaccinated plus having post-infection immunity will be stronger. so these studies comparing "is post-infection immunity comparable to vaccine-generated immunity?" really only serve to benefit people who want to wriggle their way out of just getting vaccinated.
how long SARS-CoV-2 immunity lasts is an interesting epidemiological question...but for the purposes of planning out when people should get vaccine boosters. not as an excuse for people to skip getting vaccinated at all.
the other thing none of these anti-vax (or "i'M nOt aNTI-vAx I'm juSt aNTI-ManDATe") people talk about with regards to "natural" immunity is that if you want 1 million people to have post-infection immunity, you need to infect 1 million + X people, where X is the number of people who will die as a result of 1 million covid infections. if the fatality rate is 1%, you've killed 10,000 people. if the rate is 0.1%, congrats, you've killed "only" 1000 people.
suppose, hypothetically, post-infection immunity was equal to vaccine immunity, and there was scientific consensus on that. it wouldn't matter, because you still have all those deaths (as well as long COVID and other sequelae) as a side effect of your "natural" immunity.
early on in the pandemic, we had the "just let everyone catch covid" crap, eventually formalized into the Great Barrington Declaration. the push for "natural immunity" as a replacement for vaccines is just the updated version of that.
Exemptions for sale: How a central Washington doctor helped workers dodge vaccine mandate
With hospitals full, Central California pleading to send COVID-19 patients to LA
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Several hundred Google employees sign manifesto against widened Covid vaccine mandate
Several hundred being 600/150,000 employees... so 0.4%.
Harvard Epidemiologist Michael Mina Resigns, Appointed Chief Science Officer at eMed
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