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Everyone’s a socialist in a pandemic: Republicans want Medicare for all, but just for this one disease

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    moonbathers
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    Hopefully there will be a culture shift because of this.

    Hopefully there will be a culture shift because of this.

    16 votes
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    BuckeyeSundae
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    One thing that has been true about Republicans for literally decades is a strong sense of charity for those who suffer catastrophic, obviously unplannable disaster (it is one of the rare things...

    One thing that has been true about Republicans for literally decades is a strong sense of charity for those who suffer catastrophic, obviously unplannable disaster (it is one of the rare things that has broad consensus on the use of national power for with only weirdos like Ron Paul fighting it, usually even then only for other people's jurisdictions). Americans generally have been consistently united when it comes to giving to those hit by tornadoes, hurricanes, natural disasters, and in this case pandemics.

    So as much as things change, and as strange (and irresponsible) a leader as Trump is, it's striking to me how much some things stay consistent.

    12 votes
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      hungariantoast
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      Something that really stuck with me when I read it is that, yes, Americans are excellent at coming together in times of disaster and helping each other[1], but we absolutely suck ass at...

      Something that really stuck with me when I read it is that, yes, Americans are excellent at coming together in times of disaster and helping each other[1], but we absolutely suck ass at cooperatively taking preventative measures.

      I don't know, maybe someone can successfully argue that isn't true and that the United States does just fine as a collective entity at preventing or preparing for disasters, but I'm just not feeling it (and wasn't feeling it before this pandemic).


      1. Right, let's not stroke our dicks to the national anthem too hard. It's not like other countries don't come together during times of disaster either. We aren't special.

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      1. mrbig
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        One could argue that this not a consequence of a distinct moral virtue, but rather a consequence of: North-America's tradition in infrastructure and engineering the fact that, due to intense trade...

        One could argue that this not a consequence of a distinct moral virtue, but rather a consequence of:

        • North-America's tradition in infrastructure and engineering
        • the fact that, due to intense trade and countless wars, the US has more experience in large scale logistics than any country in the world
        2 votes
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      Algernon_Asimov
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      Unfortunately, they don't seem to be consistently united in day-to-day issues. They'll help people in emergencies, but not at other times.

      Americans generally have been consistently united when it comes to giving to those hit by tornadoes, hurricanes, natural disasters, and in this case pandemics.

      Unfortunately, they don't seem to be consistently united in day-to-day issues. They'll help people in emergencies, but not at other times.

      14 votes
      1. BuckeyeSundae
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        Oh absolutely. I'm not saying it's a particularly far ranging good quality to have as a people. But it's better than nothing!

        Oh absolutely. I'm not saying it's a particularly far ranging good quality to have as a people. But it's better than nothing!

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    3. no_exit
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      I doubt that most Puerto Ricans would agree with you.

      I doubt that most Puerto Ricans would agree with you.

      4 votes
  3. patience_limited
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    Dammit, the very rudiment of a public health education is that any civilization is only as strong as its weakest members. Got homeless drug users, abused prisoners, and stressed-out workers?...

    Dammit, the very rudiment of a public health education is that any civilization is only as strong as its weakest members.

    Got homeless drug users, abused prisoners, and stressed-out workers? Expect hepatitis, TB, HIV, and STDs.

    Got impoverished developing nations with no formal public healthcare? Expect multi-drug resistant diseases to run rampant.

    Got a war or other catastrophe zone with destroyed infrastructure? Expect cholera, typhoid, and mosquito-borne illnesses.

    And so on, and so f'ing on. We're all in one great big global human Petri dish, and if the right-wing grifters can't grasp that they're just as exposed as everyone else, then to hell with them.

    12 votes
  4. timo
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    It's good that this stuff gets called out right now. It might (finally) cause a shift in how the US think about healthcare and paid sick leave.

    Everyone’s a socialist in a pandemic. But the laugh catches in your throat, because the only joke here is the sick one American society plays on workers every day.

    It's good that this stuff gets called out right now. It might (finally) cause a shift in how the US think about healthcare and paid sick leave.

    7 votes
  5. skybrian
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    It's a start. Maybe we can get it expanded to all infectious diseases? That would be a bigger start. Maybe doing things gradually can get to the same place?

    It's a start. Maybe we can get it expanded to all infectious diseases? That would be a bigger start.

    Maybe doing things gradually can get to the same place?

    6 votes
  6. Staross
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    Socialize the costs, privatize the profits, we already did it in 2008.

    Socialize the costs, privatize the profits, we already did it in 2008.

    3 votes