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The Bush-Gore recount is an omen for 2020: An oral history of the craziest presidential election in modern US history

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  1. [6]
    moonbathers
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    I read a similar article today and was thinking about how much different (better) the country would be right now if Gore had properly won. 9/11 might not happen and even if it does I don't think...

    I read a similar article today and was thinking about how much different (better) the country would be right now if Gore had properly won. 9/11 might not happen and even if it does I don't think we get into twenty-year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think the Democrat wins in 2008 if Gore is still in office because of the recession, and from there it's anyone's guess because Republicans haven't won a legitimate election since 1988, but we probably don't get Trump at least.

    I was a kid when this was going on. I of course didn't understand most of what was going on, but I knew there was a recount and I got the sense that it shouldn't have taken as long as it did. I didn't know why, or how big of a deal it would end up being. I wonder if Rage Against the Machine feels any differently about The Battle of Los Angeles now, with twenty years of hindsight.

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    1. [2]
      NaraVara
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      Before anyone asks “but what about Bush in 2004?” That election was very suspect and there is an emerging consensus that Ohio, in particular, was outright stolen and would have tipped the other way.

      because Republicans haven't won a legitimate election since 1988, but we probably don't get Trump at least.

      Before anyone asks “but what about Bush in 2004?”

      That election was very suspect and there is an emerging consensus that Ohio, in particular, was outright stolen and would have tipped the other way.

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      1. moonbathers
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        Thank you for some sources on that.

        Thank you for some sources on that.

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    2. [3]
      imperialismus
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      How do you imagine 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Gore won? Bush's presidency had just started. It's highly unlikely that Gore could have fundamentally rewritten America's image in the Middle East...

      How do you imagine 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Gore won? Bush's presidency had just started. It's highly unlikely that Gore could have fundamentally rewritten America's image in the Middle East to such an extent that Al-Qaeda wouldn't have initiated the plan in the first place in such a short timeframe. Do you imagine Gore would have instituted new security protocols or better intelligence and thwarted the attacks?

      I think 9/11 happens whoever is president, but the response to the event could have been radically different.

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      1. skybrian
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        This is alternate history so it's very difficult to prove anything either way. But it seems at least possible that this particular plot might have been foiled if a different administration had...

        This is alternate history so it's very difficult to prove anything either way. But it seems at least possible that this particular plot might have been foiled if a different administration had paid more attention to warnings and done... something? I don't know what they could have done.

        See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US

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      2. moonbathers
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        I was alluding to what @skybrian said. I should have hedged my language a bit more.

        I was alluding to what @skybrian said. I should have hedged my language a bit more.

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  2. skybrian
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    It was chaos. The lesson is: don’t let it get that close. Our political system was bad at resolving near-ties, and there is no reason to believe that it’s improved.

    It was chaos. The lesson is: don’t let it get that close. Our political system was bad at resolving near-ties, and there is no reason to believe that it’s improved.

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  3. Kuromantis
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    The article is split into 5 chapters, with the beginning text: I. Election Night II. The Battle Begins III. Hanging, Dimpled, Pregnant IV. The Brooks Brothers Riot V. The Supreme Court

    Twenty years ago this fall, the United States was plunged into 36 days of turmoil as lawyers, judges, political operativesand election workers grappled with the uncertain result of the presidential contest in Florida. Whoever won the state would win the presidency. In the end, after start-and-stop recounts and the intervention of courts at every level, Texas Governor George W. Bush, the Republican candidate, was declared the victor, edging out Vice President Al Gore, the Democrat.

    The story of the 2000 Florida recount offers a reminder of just how chaotic the electoral process can become—and of how disarray in a single state can undermine faith in the democratic process nationwide.

    The article is split into 5 chapters, with the beginning text:

    I. Election Night

    As votes were counted on the night of November 7, 2000, Bush watched the returns at the governor’s mansion, in Austin. Gore watched the returns at the Loews Vanderbilt Hotel, in Nashville. The weather in both cities was chilly and wet. By the end of the night, Gore held a lead over Bush in the national popular vote, which he would never lose, but the contest in the Electoral College was tight, and it all came down to Florida. The election, both campaigns understood, was far from over.

    II. The Battle Begins

    On the morning of Wednesday, November 8, the Bush and Gore campaigns began sending lawyers and volunteers to Florida. The narrow margin had set in motion an automatic mechanical recount—checking the machines and the tallies—but not a recount by hand. The mechanical recount reduced Bush’s margin to 327 votes. Gore had the right to request a hand recount in each of Floria’s 67 counties—the request had to be made county by county—but he asked for a recount in just four: Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia. All of them were populous and heavily Democratic. They were also counties where problems with voting had been concentrated. Bush’s post-election effort in Florida was led by the former secretary of state James A. Baker. Gore’s effort was led by the former secretary of state Warren Christopher.

    III. Hanging, Dimpled, Pregnant

    Legal actions went forward on many fronts; the chair of the Miami-Dade canvassing board referred to the proliferation of suits as “musical courts.” The Bush camp sought to stop hand recounts, and lost, on constitutional grounds, in federal court. The Gore camp sought, in state court, to prevent certification of the results until hand counts in four counties were complete—and momentarily prevailed, in the Florida Supreme Court. Separately, the Gore camp won a ruling by a Florida judge, Jorge Labarga, that so-called dimpled chads could be considered by officials conducting recounts.

    Meanwhile, the laborious process of hand counting got under way in Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, and Volusia Counties. It was tedious and fractious. Hanging over everything: a running clock. The Electoral College would meet on December 18. If election disputes were not resolved, the matter would pass to the Florida legislature in advance of that deadline.

    IV. The Brooks Brothers Riot

    On Wednesday, November 22, the day after the state supreme court’s ruling, the Bush campaign petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court for certiorari—that is, asked it to review the lower court’s decision. That same day, Bush’s running mate, Dick Cheney, suffered a mild heart attack. Also that day: the so-called Brooks Brothers riot, which unfolded in the office building where the Miami-Dade recount was taking place. Dozens of Bush volunteers from out of state had descended on Miami: “50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties,” as The Wall Street Journal described them. Many gathered to protest the recount, and the protest spiraled out of control. Caught up in the confrontation was Joe Geller; he was at the scene by chance, hoping to demonstrate how voting machines processed punch cards. In the aftermath, the Miami-Dade recount was halted.

    V. The Supreme Court

    On Friday, November 24, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to review the Florida Supreme Court’s ruling in favor of Gore. Two days later, on Sunday night, Katherine Harris certified the vote tally in Florida, and Bush’s lead stood at 537 votes. Some recount results were excluded—the results from Palm Beach County had arrived two hours late. Miami-Dade had stopped its recount.

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  4. MonkeyPants
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    The Supreme Court ruling stopping the recount was such bullshit. There is no reason to limit the ruling to "present circumstances" other than pure partisanship.

    The Supreme Court ruling stopping the recount was such bullshit. There is no reason to limit the ruling to "present circumstances" other than pure partisanship.

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