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#Cancel we the web (regarding Richard Stallman)

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    Deimos
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    Link doesn't work, and I haven't even had a chance to read through the other topic yet and see what was going wrong with it that was making my phone blow up with Malice alerts, so I don't want a...

    Link doesn't work, and I haven't even had a chance to read through the other topic yet and see what was going wrong with it that was making my phone blow up with Malice alerts, so I don't want a slightly-different repeat of it starting up again already.

    I may be able to un-remove this later, but it'll need a working article at the very least (and I may un-remove and un-lock the other one too once I have time to see what was going on with it).

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    1. vord
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      Thanks the the update. It does work for me in the USA, some supporting evidence below. It is fair enough to remove until cooler heads prevail and the link confirmed working. I have preserved the...

      Thanks the the update. It does work for me in the USA, some supporting evidence below. It is fair enough to remove until cooler heads prevail and the link confirmed working. I have preserved the content to re-post another time when tempers cool, especially if you were not the one involved in the lock/remove from the other thread. While I feel the content is different, I can see how it would re-tread a lot of the same arguments. I was mostly frustrated at losing a long reply due to the thread being locked between starting a reply and a submission.

      https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wetheweb.com.html
      https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6BHss1mLglQJ:https://www.wetheweb.org/2020/08/13/cancel-we-the-web/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

  2. vord
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    I know there's been complaints about too many 'cancel culture' posts recently, but I feel they are one of the biggest zeitgeists of the modern age. This is a very sensitive topic, as there was one...

    I know there's been complaints about too many 'cancel culture' posts recently, but I feel they are one of the biggest zeitgeists of the modern age. This is a very sensitive topic, as there was one locked topic about it today so far. But I feel it is an important discussion to be had, and best had on a site like Tildes where civility is considered paramount. I want to continue these discussions, as while the prior thread was heated, I feel that the discussion was largely remaining as civil as possible given the tremendously diametric views surrounding 'cancel culture'.

    This article in particular is a great launching point for discussions about the importance of context, clear language, good journalism, and internet civility. Richard Stallman was 'cancelled' because many on the internet do not consider these important aspects before rallying around a call to action.

    To cover some of the inevitable counter-points surrounding RMS specifically, I'll refer to @tindal's best-sourced post on this matter.

    Because RMS loved his job, people should excuse public blog posts [1] in support of pedophilia, casual misogyny in the workplace and at conferences, and, frankly, in my view at least, doing a bad job of moving GNU into a position to influence the future of software?

    RMS didn't just love his job, he created his job. He created the FSF, wrote the GPL, and created GNU. These things wouldn't exist without him. They were his life's work, and he likely can't advocate for them with the passionate zeal he did anymore due to a lack of forgiveness at the behest of an internet hate mob fueled by disinformation. Over the next several years, he's likely to be relegated to a footnote for much of the work he has done. Unless something changes, he will likely be vilified every time his name is brought up, no matter the context. I consider this an unacceptable treatment.

    Regarding the pedophilia comments, yes he was in the wrong. But that does not make him a pedophile, and justify recieving the same level of vitrol as if he was one. He expressed (on his personal, unaffiliated blog) that he was skeptical of the claims made against pedophiles. After the controversy arose, he publicly retracted his statements on that very same blog. This does not make him a monster. This makes him a flawed human being who admits to his flaws and moves forward in a positive manner.

    Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why.

    The twitter post about the misogyny in the workplace has been thoroughly debunked, as the 'hot ladies' bit was written by somebody else. The insensitive jokes at conferences were addressed and modified to remove the sexist connotations. This is about as reasonable a response as can be expected of a person who believes it was not malicious, rather a misunderstanding. Yes, perhaps he was too rude about it in a personal conversation, but again this is not the behavior of a monster, but of a flawed human.

    We, as fallible creatures, must be able to be forgiven for our flaws, and not being expected to apologize to each and every person who misinterprets what we have said. Old mistakes (more than a decade old!) must be permitted to fade with the sands of time. Almost everything written here could be applied to Al Franken as well.

    In the immortal words of Daniel Tiger: "It's OK to make mistakes. Try to fix them, and learn from them too."

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