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The cold logic of drunk people - At a bar in France, researchers made people answer questions about philosophy

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    archevel
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    Did they control for the obvious reverse correlation, i.e utilitarians tend to get more drunk at bars? This seems more like a case of lowered inhibitions than drunkss being utilitarians. Drunk...

    Did they control for the obvious reverse correlation, i.e utilitarians tend to get more drunk at bars?

    This seems more like a case of lowered inhibitions than drunkss being utilitarians. Drunk people are more likely to kill others in general no?

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      vord
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      If they're operating things that are fairly unsafe while sober? Yea. But I don't know many drunks whom turn murderous. I've noticed that drinking just results in the inner thoughts becoming outer...

      Drunk people are more likely to kill others in general no?

      If they're operating things that are fairly unsafe while sober? Yea. But I don't know many drunks whom turn murderous.

      I've noticed that drinking just results in the inner thoughts becoming outer thoughts in a more truthful manner. Hence the "racist uncle at Thanksgiving" trope.

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        archevel
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        I was thinking more in line of this report:

        I was thinking more in line of this report:

        Studies have generally found that the more serious the crime or injuries, the more likely alcohol was involved. For example, a recent study showed that drinking offenders committed 15 percent of robberies, 26 percent of aggravated and simple assaults, and 37 percent of rapes and sexual assaults (Greenfeld 1998).

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          corleone
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          One thought occurred to me: it is conceivable that someone would ingest alcohol with the purpose of dulling their judgement to facilitate the criminal act. "Liquid courage", as they say.

          One thought occurred to me: it is conceivable that someone would ingest alcohol with the purpose of dulling their judgement to facilitate the criminal act. "Liquid courage", as they say.

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            bilbodwyer
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            That seems like a fair assessment, although I always think "liquid courage" has quite an intentional feeling to it. When I drink, my ability to control my impulses and to assess risk are not...

            That seems like a fair assessment, although I always think "liquid courage" has quite an intentional feeling to it. When I drink, my ability to control my impulses and to assess risk are not absent, but certainly very much reduced. I rarely drink to bolster my courage, but I do find that I don't make the best decisions.
            Not to suggest that none of those crimes weren't premeditated! But I do wonder what proportion of them are the result of bad decision making, rather than of trying to drum up the necessary numbness to go through with it.

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            1. corleone
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              In my country at least, the causation between heavy alcohol consumption and domestic violence, almost always by men, is well established. I doubt very much that those men premeditate domestic...

              In my country at least, the causation between heavy alcohol consumption and domestic violence, almost always by men, is well established. I doubt very much that those men premeditate domestic violence, it just happens when they drink (which does not mean their actions should be excused, of course).

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