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Gender dysphoria isn’t a “social contagion,” according to a new study

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    mftrhu
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    "The Earth turns out to not be flat", says new study. Colour me surprised - "dysphoria is a social contagion" was never proven in the first place. Certainly not by Littman's shitpost: the most...

    "The Earth turns out to not be flat", says new study. Colour me surprised - "dysphoria is a social contagion" was never proven in the first place.

    Certainly not by Littman's shitpost: the most that she found was that parents of transgender children who post on forums named "transgendertrend" think that their children suffer from a "social contagion", but

    1. we already know that children come out years after they actually realize that they are trans (Olson, 2015 found that the mean age of realization was 8.3, but that the mean age of disclosure was 17.1), and yet our parents are constantly surprised by that, constantly telling us that "it's too sudden", and constantly asking us if we "have thought about it for long enough, it's such a difficult decision to make";
    2. parents who eventually end up posting on "transgendertrend" or similar forums are very likely to be already transphobic and/or authoritarian to start with, which doesn't help.

    Last October, for example, more than 1,000 parents of gender-nonconforming children wrote a letter to the American Academy of Pediatrics begging them to reconsider their trans-affirming health care policy recommendations. The letter cites Littman’s work as “a recent groundbreaking study” about trans-identified youth that “finds significant parallels with the phenomenon of eating disorders, and includes social contagion as a key factor.”

    Whatever problem might exist here - and I don't believe it exists outside the confines of their petty little minds - they created it.

    And they created it by insisting on putting children who are merely gender non-conforming in the same group as children who might be both quite binary and gender-conforming, but not cis. Gender non-conformity does not require any sort of treatment beyond "don't be an asshole to your child because he likes pink", and yet they insist on claiming that their "precious children" are "being transed", when the child, the parents and the doctors all need to be in agreement for any treatment to even happen.

    The American College of Pediatricians, classified as an anti-LGBT hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center,

    And rightfully so. The American College of Pediatricians, also known as the ACPeds, is a 300-strong conservative splinter group of the 20k-members American Academy of Pediatrics, which split off from the latter because they supported gay marriage.

    The ACPeds opposes gay marriage. It opposes abortion. It is pro-corporal punishment. It talks shit about gay people, it talks shit about trans people,

    cites Littman’s study to advocate against trans-affirming health care;

    And it even cites the Dhejne, 2011 study in one of their many shitposts to "prove" that "trans people have higher suicide rates after surgery", because McHugh is incapable of reading and understanding a bloody abstract, and apparently no-one else in that merry band of cranks learned how to do that, either.

    In any case, citing Littman's shitpost to argue against trans care is like arguing that "ADHD is overdiagnosed, and we don't know by how much, therefore we should not treat anyone with ADHD symptoms anymore".

    I'm happy that it was slammed by Restar, but I wish that these crooks could simply be ignored by all, instead of having to scramble against their lies, creative interpretations and gish gallops.

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      callmedante
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      Thank you for highlighting the difference between the AAP and the ACPeds. I don't know that I would have realized there was a difference, simply assuming them to be there same organization. Now I...

      Thank you for highlighting the difference between the AAP and the ACPeds. I don't know that I would have realized there was a difference, simply assuming them to be there same organization. Now I know not to give credence to anything that quotes the ACPeds.

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      1. mftrhu
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        Yeah, unfortunately they rely on this to get their drivel heard. When it comes to trans issues, McHugh is also hailed as "an expert" that "worked at Hopkins when they stopped offering surgery to...

        I don't know that I would have realized there was a difference, simply assuming them to be there same organization

        Yeah, unfortunately they rely on this to get their drivel heard.

        When it comes to trans issues, McHugh is also hailed as "an expert" that "worked at Hopkins when they stopped offering surgery to trans people because it didn't work", but he's actually the one who shut down the Hopkins gender clinic, back in the seventies, on laughable grounds:

        In 1979, he shut down the gender identity clinic at Johns Hopkins, saying that another researcher found that most of the people he tracked down who had undergone this type of surgery "were contented with what they had done and that only a few regretted it. But in every other respect, they were little changed in their psychological condition. They had much the same problems with relationships, work, and emotions as before. The hope that they would emerge now from their emotional difficulties to flourish psychologically had not been fulfilled"

        I actually hate how this article cites both the ACPeds and Zucker, without pointing out the sleight of hand of the former, without explaining why the latter is controversial - he would "encourage" children to "accept their birth sex" and considered transition a "failure", because "If your 4 year old said he was a dog, you wouldn't go out and buy dog biscuits" - and giving him space to wonder "why the backlash to Littman’s study has been so loud".

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  2. hackergal
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    I should send this article to my dad. When I came out, I told him that reading the experiences of other trans people made me realize was trans, and now he thinks I'm transitioning because I spend...

    I should send this article to my dad. When I came out, I told him that reading the experiences of other trans people made me realize was trans, and now he thinks I'm transitioning because I spend too much time on "weird websites."

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  3. Tang_Un
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    File this under "Sometimes science needs to confirm obvious things"

    File this under "Sometimes science needs to confirm obvious things"

    3 votes
  4. meghan
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    Of course it isn't.

    Of course it isn't.

    4 votes