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Can child dolls keep pedophiles from offending? One man thinks so, and he’s been manufacturing them for clients for more than ten years

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  1. [8]
    Grzmot
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    The question if victimless indulging of those urges is good or bad for you is one that often comes up whenever an anime creates one of those 10000 year old vampire girls that for some reason look...

    The question if victimless indulging of those urges is good or bad for you is one that often comes up whenever an anime creates one of those 10000 year old vampire girls that for some reason look like they're 12. Creating loli hentai doesn't hurt children, on the opposite you have an industry which can thrive off of it, people that can make a living and feed their families. But I think it would be very hard to quantify if consumption of such pornographic material or the use of dolls like this would lead an individual to eventually think that there is no difference between real child and the doll or their loli spank bank. I don't think that's how human minds work, but I don't know for sure.

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      mono
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      I think the problem is similar to the idea that going to a junkyard to break things or joining a boxing club or something similar is a good way to deal with anger issues and/or relieve stress. On...

      I think the problem is similar to the idea that going to a junkyard to break things or joining a boxing club or something similar is a good way to deal with anger issues and/or relieve stress. On one hand, it does provide a satisfying outlet for destructive impulses, rather than someone getting into a real fight or something else self-destructive. On the other, it "rewards" those impulses and the acting upon them, leading to dependency. All may be well as long as the outlet is available, but when it isn't, the person is left without a way to cope, and they're liable to act out and hurt someone or themselves.

      Surely, there is no single solution for everybody, but I believe any treatment should at the very least include some sort of impulse control and/or distraction training. If an outlet helps as last resort, it's better to have than to not, but I think relying primarily on the outlet isn't the best idea.

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      1. [4]
        mrbig
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        That’s anecdotal, but I practiced two kinds of taekwondo, kung-fu, karate, aikido, and Brazilian jiu-jítsu. Those guys are super chill and almost all of them never fought outside the dojo. The...

        I think the problem is similar to the idea that going to a junkyard to break things or joining a boxing club or something similar is a good way to deal with anger issues and/or relieve stress

        That’s anecdotal, but I practiced two kinds of taekwondo, kung-fu, karate, aikido, and Brazilian jiu-jítsu. Those guys are super chill and almost all of them never fought outside the dojo. The more knowledge someone has about martial arts, the less they’re inclined to engage in violent behavior.

        There are many possible explanations for that beyond the cathartical power of the practice itself— martial artists are highly aware of the limits of their bodies, and know very well that in a non controlled environment there are numerous factors beyond skill to consider.

        For example: What if your opponent has a knife or a firearm? What if he has friends you don’t know of? What if those friends possess knives or firearms? What if you accidentally punch someone to death? Even if you get away with it, do you want that in your conscience? Fighting is way more dangerous and complex than most people realize.

        That is why all my masters were very clear in their recommendations: if someone threatens you, deescalate. If that doesn’t help, RUN. If and only if you have nowhere go, fight. But those situations are extremely rare.

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          mono
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          I was referring to people with pathological anger or stress issues. I didn't mean to imply everyone that engages in combat sports falls within that category.

          I was referring to people with pathological anger or stress issues. I didn't mean to imply everyone that engages in combat sports falls within that category.

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          1. mrbig
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            I understand. I am implying that martial arts might even help those individuals become less prone to violence.

            I understand. I am implying that martial arts might even help those individuals become less prone to violence.

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        2. krg
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          Yea, there are plenty of videos showing trained fighters having to deal with drunk assholes and usually being very reserved and attempting de-escalation before they're forced to act. Exhibit 1....

          That is why all my masters were very clear in their recommendations: if someone threatens you, deescalate. If that doesn’t help, RUN. If and only if you have nowhere go, fight. But those situations are extremely rare.

          Yea, there are plenty of videos showing trained fighters having to deal with drunk assholes and usually being very reserved and attempting de-escalation before they're forced to act. Exhibit 1. Exhibit 2.

          And then...there's BJ Penn. 😥

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      2. ohyran
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        I had never thought about that duality tbh and the risk of a dependency of the action - so thank you for a rather eye opening post <3

        I had never thought about that duality tbh and the risk of a dependency of the action - so thank you for a rather eye opening post <3

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    2. knocklessmonster
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      I have yet to find hard data for it, but there's a claim that the introduction of rape porn decreased the incidence of rape in Japan, and I've seen discussion expanding it to other forms of...

      But I think it would be very hard to quantify if consumption of such pornographic material or the use of dolls like this would lea

      I have yet to find hard data for it, but there's a claim that the introduction of rape porn decreased the incidence of rape in Japan, and I've seen discussion expanding it to other forms of deviant sexuality.

      There's always the risk of exacerbating an issue, which is the primary Western concern, but I think a part of helping prevent criminal activity in these areas would include providing safe outlets as a sort of urge control.

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  2. Whatwouldsatando
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    This is certainly an interesting topic. While loli hentai doesn’t involve or hurt actual kids, thee forums and boards dedicated to it can connect pedophiles and be a way to easier find real CP....

    This is certainly an interesting topic. While loli hentai doesn’t involve or hurt actual kids, thee forums and boards dedicated to it can connect pedophiles and be a way to easier find real CP.

    The dolls doesn’t have that issue. I think it’s a good idea.

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  3. [5]
    Kuromantis
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    Related thread This is a pretty interesting article on a guy who makes child sex dolls for pedophiles. MTV article if you don't want to bypass a paywall.

    Related thread

    This is a pretty interesting article on a guy who makes child sex dolls for pedophiles.

    “Being a pedophile is like living with a mask on,” Shin Takagi told me, before lighting another cigarette in the midst of a Tokyo cafe. Takagi’s mask was off today. He spoke freely and people were noticing. In a sea of black business suits, Takagi sported a red Hawaiian-print shirt—daring them to look.

    People like Takagi who struggle with pedophilic impulses but have never acted on them have been the subject of much media attention. With a paucity of reliable scientific data about their circumstances and no known medical or psychiatric cure, many of these individuals rely strictly on self-control to avoid acting on their urges. Takagi believes there is another option.

    Struggling to reconcile his attraction to children with a conviction that they should be protected, Takagi founded Trottla, a company that produces life-like child sex dolls. For more than a decade, Trottla has shipped anatomically-correct imitations of girls as young as five to clients around the world.

    Several treatments for pedophilia exist, including cognitive-behavioral therapy and chemical castration, and other interventions intended to suppress urges. A meta-analysis conducted by the Mayo Clinic recently concluded that the treatments “do not change the pedophile’s basic sexual orientation toward children.” In addition, among people who have actually molested children, the study cites recidivism rates ranging from 10 percent to 50 percent. Takagi believes other methods of harm-reduction are warranted, and suggests his products could help.

    So far, there is no research to indicate whether or not Takagi’s dolls would be successful, and Peter Fagan from the John Hopkins School of Medicine is skeptical that there ever will be.

    Even without supporting research, Takagi is convinced that his products save children. “I often receive letters from buyers,” he said. “The letters say, ‘Thanks to your dolls, I can keep from committing a crime.’ I hear statements like that from doctors, prep school teachers—even celebrities.”

    MTV article if you don't want to bypass a paywall.

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    1. [4]
      AugustusFerdinand
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      This sounds extremely similar to "gay conversion therapy" which we all know to be pseduoscience and, to put it mildly, harmful. I'm not sure I understand why they believe the same being will work...

      Several treatments for pedophilia exist, including cognitive-behavioral therapy... ...and other interventions intended to suppress urges. A meta-analysis conducted by the Mayo Clinic recently concluded that the treatments “do not change the pedophile’s basic sexual orientation toward children.”

      This sounds extremely similar to "gay conversion therapy" which we all know to be pseduoscience and, to put it mildly, harmful. I'm not sure I understand why they believe the same being will work for pedophiles.

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        1. cfabbro
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          Your comment seems like a mischaracterization of @AugustusFerdinand's comment, IMO. CBT was just one of the listed treatments, along with chemical castration (which ironically enough was another...

          Your comment seems like a mischaracterization of @AugustusFerdinand's comment, IMO. CBT was just one of the listed treatments, along with chemical castration (which ironically enough was another "treatment" that used to be used on homosexuals)... However the "and other interventions intended to suppress urges" is what I assume @AugustusFerdinand was referring to sounding similar to gay conversion therapy.

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        2. Litmus2336
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          Yeah this really pisses me off too. I would advise people not make these comments unless they have experience with CBT

          Yeah this really pisses me off too. I would advise people not make these comments unless they have experience with CBT

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      2. Litmus2336
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        CBT is not harmful. It would be unethical to use with gay people because there is nothing wrong with being gay. But pedophilia is definitely not a good thing, and CBT can be used to stem urges and...

        CBT is not harmful. It would be unethical to use with gay people because there is nothing wrong with being gay. But pedophilia is definitely not a good thing, and CBT can be used to stem urges and help them not be a danger to others.

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  4. Ali07
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    What the hell...

    What the hell...