The HOA didn't call swat, they called the cops who were shot at and the coos called swat. If you shoot at someone you might get shot back. IMO the cops aren't at fault there. Yeah, it's weird that...
The HOA didn't call swat, they called the cops who were shot at and the coos called swat.
If you shoot at someone you might get shot back. IMO the cops aren't at fault there.
Yeah, it's weird that the cops were called for such a minor HOA issue but the way it ended up wasnt really related to the HOA.
Both the link and your comments are taking context out of this and being grossly exaggerated. The NBC link within yours is much more reliable without all of the emotional input and conjecture. The...
Both the link and your comments are taking context out of this and being grossly exaggerated.
The NBC link within yours is much more reliable without all of the emotional input and conjecture.
The HOA and city of Austin have lawn care ordinances, like them or not. I highly doubt the HOA, and I despise HOAs, didn't go through multiple steps to contact the man and get him to cut his lawn. At some point those efforts were exhausted and greater steps were taken.
Police attempted to serve a search warrant for nuisance, what nuisance isn't mentioned. Warrant wasn't served and left on the door.
Code enforcement then began to mow the lawn.
The man started shooting.
SWAT gets called, standoff ensues, more shooting, there's a fire in the house, man exits house with firearm in hand, gets fired upon.
I'm sure there's some mental health problems involved here, but the HOA didn't shoot him and he wouldn't have been shot if he didn't start shooting at people mowing the lawn.
I think we'd need more information to determine that. Judging from how things turned out the HOA might have suspected the homeowner to be violent or need mental help and didn't feel safe engaging...
I think we'd need more information to determine that. Judging from how things turned out the HOA might have suspected the homeowner to be violent or need mental help and didn't feel safe engaging with them directly. But that's speculation because I don't know the circumstances.
Ideally, the HOA would be able to call on the government to check on the person and help resolve the dispute and it would be handled in as reasonable and safe a way as possible.
Yeah, this is way too editorialized and does a disservice to this site. The headline should be edited. There are enough terrible stories, no need to drum up drama.
Yeah, this is way too editorialized and does a disservice to this site. The headline should be edited. There are enough terrible stories, no need to drum up drama.
I genuinely think this is 100% or at least 90% the homeowner's fault. From NBC Like, if you start shooting at dudes mowing your lawn I'm not sure what you're expecting....
I genuinely think this is 100% or at least 90% the homeowner's fault. From NBC
The warrant was left at the door and contractors for the city's code enforcement began working on the lawn. About an hour later, the resident started shooting from inside the house, Chacon said.
"And they immediately backed off. They got all of the staff that was working on the house to safety and and a SWAT call was initiated for a barricaded subject," he said.
Like, if you start shooting at dudes mowing your lawn I'm not sure what you're expecting.
SWAT, mental health officers and a crisis negotiator arrived on scene, but could not get the man out of the home, leading to the lockdown of a nearby elementary school and the closure of several streets.
"SWAT spent the next several hours trying to negotiate with the individual to just simply come out of the house," Chacon said.
At about 3 p.m., the resident started shooting at officers again. "And because of that immediate threat ... they made entry using a robot," Chacon said.
The robot helped officers determine that a fire had been started in the home, and was quickly spreading, he said. Officers still couldn't get the man to come out of the house as it became fully engulfed in flames.
But then the man exited through the garage with weapons in his hand. "At that time, a SWAT officer shot and struck the resident who went down with a gunshot wound," Chacon said.
Presumably the only reason police were with the code enforcer was because of the possibility of unhinged people reacting in violent ways, so it seems they like served their intended purpose of defending the code enforcer.
How low can NIMBYism stoop? This time, NIMBYs called SWAT to make a person… mow their lawn, which resulted in that person being shot dead. I can understand SWAT being called to some extreme cases...
How low can NIMBYism stoop?
This time, NIMBYs called SWAT to make a person… mow their lawn, which resulted in that person being shot dead.
I can understand SWAT being called to some extreme cases of intra-household violence.
I can understand that in climates like Austin it is necessary to mow one's lawns often (though not as often as HOAs demand).
I can understand that non-compliance with the local HOA rules might result in fines imposed (not that I always agree, but nevertheless).
However, is the fact that a person does not follow their HOA's rules as to lawn mowing sufficient to get that person killed?
I have a strong feeling the kind of person who calls the cops to report a neighbor being in violation of the HOA requirements for cutting grass doesn't know this and simply wants to enforce a...
I have a strong feeling the kind of person who calls the cops to report a neighbor being in violation of the HOA requirements for cutting grass doesn't know this and simply wants to enforce a normative look in the neighborhood. But I could be wrong
Only in the spring... in the summer, if you are a reasonable human being (i.e., don't water your goddamn lawn every day, because it's not like Austin is swimming in excess water), you'll be lucky...
I can understand that in climates like Austin it is necessary to mow one's lawns often
Only in the spring... in the summer, if you are a reasonable human being (i.e., don't water your goddamn lawn every day, because it's not like Austin is swimming in excess water), you'll be lucky if it grows at all.
Yeah, it's weird that the cops were called for such a minor HOA issue but the way it ended up wasnt really related to the HOA.
I agree that the cops/SWAT are not at fault. But the HOA is.
Both the link and your comments are taking context out of this and being grossly exaggerated.
The NBC link within yours is much more reliable without all of the emotional input and conjecture.
The HOA and city of Austin have lawn care ordinances, like them or not. I highly doubt the HOA, and I despise HOAs, didn't go through multiple steps to contact the man and get him to cut his lawn. At some point those efforts were exhausted and greater steps were taken.
Police attempted to serve a search warrant for nuisance, what nuisance isn't mentioned. Warrant wasn't served and left on the door.
Code enforcement then began to mow the lawn.
The man started shooting.
SWAT gets called, standoff ensues, more shooting, there's a fire in the house, man exits house with firearm in hand, gets fired upon.
I'm sure there's some mental health problems involved here, but the HOA didn't shoot him and he wouldn't have been shot if he didn't start shooting at people mowing the lawn.
I think we'd need more information to determine that. Judging from how things turned out the HOA might have suspected the homeowner to be violent or need mental help and didn't feel safe engaging with them directly. But that's speculation because I don't know the circumstances.
Ideally, the HOA would be able to call on the government to check on the person and help resolve the dispute and it would be handled in as reasonable and safe a way as possible.
Yeah, this is way too editorialized and does a disservice to this site. The headline should be edited. There are enough terrible stories, no need to drum up drama.
I genuinely think this is 100% or at least 90% the homeowner's fault. From NBC
Like, if you start shooting at dudes mowing your lawn I'm not sure what you're expecting.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/city-s-attempt-cut-texas-man-s-grass-leads-standoff-n1282623
Presumably the only reason police were with the code enforcer was because of the possibility of unhinged people reacting in violent ways, so it seems they like served their intended purpose of defending the code enforcer.
How low can NIMBYism stoop?
This time, NIMBYs called SWAT to make a person… mow their lawn, which resulted in that person being shot dead.
I can understand SWAT being called to some extreme cases of intra-household violence.
I can understand that in climates like Austin it is necessary to mow one's lawns often (though not as often as HOAs demand).
I can understand that non-compliance with the local HOA rules might result in fines imposed (not that I always agree, but nevertheless).
However, is the fact that a person does not follow their HOA's rules as to lawn mowing sufficient to get that person killed?
There is a message from 1789:
As someone who lives in relatively cold climates (and as someone who's never had a lawn), what's the reasoning behind this?
To cut the long story short: where it is rarely freezing, vermin multiply quickly in unmown grass.
I have a strong feeling the kind of person who calls the cops to report a neighbor being in violation of the HOA requirements for cutting grass doesn't know this and simply wants to enforce a normative look in the neighborhood. But I could be wrong
Only in the spring... in the summer, if you are a reasonable human being (i.e., don't water your goddamn lawn every day, because it's not like Austin is swimming in excess water), you'll be lucky if it grows at all.