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US President Donald Trump proposes ending the crisis he created by creating another crisis -- The proposed executive order ending family separation is just here to create more hostages

14 comments

  1. [5]
    EngiNerd
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    So that you don't have to read through what is essentially a demonizing rant against Trump and his followers, characterizing them as evil/nazis/pennywise the clown. I dislike Trump, but this...

    Mr. Trump’s executive order would seek to get around an existing 1997 consent decree, known as the Flores settlement, that prohibits the federal government from keeping children in immigration detention — even if they are with their parents — for more than 20 days.

    So that you don't have to read through what is essentially a demonizing rant against Trump and his followers, characterizing them as evil/nazis/pennywise the clown.

    I dislike Trump, but this article seems anti-thesis to the whole goal of civilized discussion that tildes has.

    8 votes
    1. [2]
      Gecko
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      Agreed. Additionally based on the name of the site and it's style I wouldn't consider it a credible source either.

      Agreed. Additionally based on the name of the site and it's style I wouldn't consider it a credible source either.

      5 votes
      1. Brian
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        Above the Law is a well-known site in lawyer-world. The author is Ellie Mystal, a Harvard Law grad. He's generally not wrong on points of law. His firebrand lately has been landing him with cable...

        Above the Law is a well-known site in lawyer-world. The author is Ellie Mystal, a Harvard Law grad. He's generally not wrong on points of law.

        His firebrand lately has been landing him with cable news appearances so everything is dialed up to 11 lately.

        6 votes
    2. anti
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      Call a spade a spade. They are that bad.

      Trump and his followers, characterizing them as evil/nazis/pennywise the clown.

      Call a spade a spade. They are that bad.

      2 votes
    3. Mumberthrax
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      I find it interesting that I got in trouble for putting tags like "censorship" on a post about tommy robinson, but "concentration camp" is fine here.

      I find it interesting that I got in trouble for putting tags like "censorship" on a post about tommy robinson, but "concentration camp" is fine here.

  2. [9]
    tyil
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    Why do people put in so much effort to hate Trump, no matter what he does. If he doesn't sign the executive order, he's literally like the nazis. If he does sign an executive order, he's "abusing...

    Why do people put in so much effort to hate Trump, no matter what he does. If he doesn't sign the executive order, he's literally like the nazis. If he does sign an executive order, he's "abusing his power" and trying to "create more hostages".

    We get it, you love to hate Trump. Can we please move on now and try to make the best out of it?

    4 votes
    1. EightRoundsRapid
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      There's a lot to despise. And "just moving on" would give the impression that his ignorance has been accepted.

      There's a lot to despise. And "just moving on" would give the impression that his ignorance has been accepted.

      15 votes
    2. Diet_Coke
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      Why do people put so much effort into hating having the flu? We get it, vomiting and diarrhea are unpleasant. Make the best out of it, you get to chill in bed for a couple weeks and then you're 20...

      Why do people put so much effort into hating having the flu? We get it, vomiting and diarrhea are unpleasant. Make the best out of it, you get to chill in bed for a couple weeks and then you're 20 pounds lighter when you get better.

      5 votes
    3. crius
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      Well, giving for granted that any reasonable person should agree that detaining indefinitely a person, not mentioning a kid, is just a tiny bit better than a concentration camp (where people were...

      Well, giving for granted that any reasonable person should agree that detaining indefinitely a person, not mentioning a kid, is just a tiny bit better than a concentration camp (where people were also killed), I think this is fitting:

      for evil to succeed, it is only necessary for good men to do nothing

      So, no, good people should absolutely not "just move on" when whoever it is, does something that clearly harm others.

      4 votes
    4. [5]
      acr
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      That's the thing about Trump, he is a scapegoat. I am not saying he is great man or that I support him. Trump is a figure head scapegoat. The way perception works is, people hear something enough...

      That's the thing about Trump, he is a scapegoat. I am not saying he is great man or that I support him. Trump is a figure head scapegoat.

      The way perception works is, people hear something enough and that just becomes fact to them. The media, news, SNL, etc are all painting Trump as a bad man. People who know nothing about Trump have this image built up that he is a bad man...

      Trump is president because he is a good misdirect and person to blame. I think he was elected to see what the American people would allow / turn a blind eye to. It gave other people a lot of power when he was elected because they have to be leaned on more.

      And the whole immigration thing does need to be addressed. Out tax dollars go to these people who don't pay taxes or contribute in any way.. We can't afford to just let every single immigrant in and allow them to live under the radar.

      3 votes
      1. [4]
        muircurial
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        Trump is a distraction, I agree. However, I'd argue people who know the president well also conclude he's a bad man. The co-author of The Art of the Deal has been outspoken about his moral...

        Trump is a distraction, I agree. However, I'd argue people who know the president well also conclude he's a bad man. The co-author of The Art of the Deal has been outspoken about his moral decrepitude.

        And about this "immigration thing", you truly believe immigrants don't pay taxes or contribute to American society? While they're stuck in these concentration camps, I'd agree with that. So what do you believe they do with their days, these people living under the radar? And to take it further, why must they live under the radar?

        6 votes
        1. [3]
          acr
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          I don't feel one way or another regarding Trump. As long as I can maintain my lifestyle, I'm good. The immigration issue, I just mean - We have people coming here illegally and living here...

          I don't feel one way or another regarding Trump. As long as I can maintain my lifestyle, I'm good.

          The immigration issue, I just mean - We have people coming here illegally and living here illegally not contributing and people are all, "Hoo rah! Support these people's rights!!! Do right by them!!!" While ignoring legal immigrant / legal citizens problems. I am all for immigrants coming here, but don't remain illegal for 30 years and then when it comes crashing down start panicking and playing victim.

          The big thing is, we just can't afford to take every single person in and allow them to remain illegal. We just can't.

          1. [2]
            muircurial
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            You're so close, you can taste it. I'll bring you one step closer. Why do they need to remain illegal?

            You're so close, you can taste it. I'll bring you one step closer. Why do they need to remain illegal?

            2 votes
            1. acr
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              Lol. I know what you're saying... I just believe we just need a better system, and that includes cracking down right now to revamp some things, then get things going again.

              Lol. I know what you're saying... I just believe we just need a better system, and that includes cracking down right now to revamp some things, then get things going again.