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Why tracking 'hate incidents' that don't break the law is crucial to tackling rise in hate crimes

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      Catt
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      I agree this can be a slippery slope, but I don't believe the goal of this is to police everyone's interactions. More to gather information. The issue I have with it is definitely the self...

      I agree this can be a slippery slope, but I don't believe the goal of this is to police everyone's interactions. More to gather information. The issue I have with it is definitely the self reporting. We already know of plenty of cases that make it to the media that turned out to be falsified. So in this logging, I hope they at least differentiate what has proof (e.g. video) or he-said-she-said.

      I do also agree that their example is bad, and wished they picked a better one. I suspected they went a bit too far in selecting someone people won't disagree as racist.

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        1. Catt
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          There is something I really dislike about that too. Sometimes when I park badly in haste, I really do hope it doesn't end up somewhere online. There is already too much shaming happening. Edit:...

          There is something I really dislike about that too. Sometimes when I park badly in haste, I really do hope it doesn't end up somewhere online. There is already too much shaming happening.

          Edit: phrasing

    2. Diet_Coke
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      There's a reason that slippery slope is a logical fallacy. Are there not already things that are hard to prove and disapproved of by the community? If it was going to become some devious method...

      That is a slippery slope and gives a people a lot of power to slander others.

      There's a reason that slippery slope is a logical fallacy. Are there not already things that are hard to prove and disapproved of by the community? If it was going to become some devious method for revenge, aren't there already similar ways to achieve the same goal?

      Check out the incident report form here: https://stophateab.ca/document/ - at no point do they ask for a name or descriptor for the perpetrator. If they add something to that effect, we can revisit the topic but otherwise your concern seems to be unfounded. It's being used as a tool to show the prevalence of discrimination and get police to watch out for them, from what it looks like.

      People shouldn't be saying nasty things to each other, but to try and police that is a bit too much. We really can't treat adults like children, "Tommy said a bad word!!!" It is very wrong to say anything racist to someone, but we shouldn't expect the police to get involved over it.

      Sounds like something someone who has never had a pig's head left on their community's doorstep. Maybe police shouldn't get involved every time someone says a racist word, but on the hand maybe if they tracked these incidents they could spot patterns and deal with habitual offenders.

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  2. Catt
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    This article also has a radio broadcast component that is available for listening or reading its transcript (though personally I find the transcript a bit harder to follow).

    This article also has a radio broadcast component that is available for listening or reading its transcript (though personally I find the transcript a bit harder to follow).

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    Algernon_Asimov
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    Which of the humanities (such as linguistics, history, philosophy, anthropology, literature studies, etc) is this related to? I feel like this belongs in ~science (as being related to the social...

    Which of the humanities (such as linguistics, history, philosophy, anthropology, literature studies, etc) is this related to?

    I feel like this belongs in ~science (as being related to the social science of sociology) or ~misc. Edit: or ~news.

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      Catt
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      I disagree. Humanities is the study of human society and culture. I believe this fits in here, as sociology.

      I disagree. Humanities is the study of human society and culture. I believe this fits in here, as sociology.

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        Algernon_Asimov
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        Sociology is a social science, which is separate to the humanities. There are three major categories of academic study: Natural science Social science Humanities I suggested a group for the social...

        Sociology is a social science, which is separate to the humanities.

        There are three major categories of academic study:

        • Natural science

        • Social science

        • Humanities

        I suggested a group for the social sciences and a group for humanities, but the social sciences group didn't get anywhere near as much support as the humanities group.

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          clerical_terrors
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          A lot of people tend to lump social sciences in with the humanities though, mostly because of stigma of social science not being "hard science".

          A lot of people tend to lump social sciences in with the humanities though, mostly because of stigma of social science not being "hard science".

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          1. Algernon_Asimov
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            I know. That's why I requested groups for both categories, so that people could see they're separate and different.

            I know. That's why I requested groups for both categories, so that people could see they're separate and different.