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We analyzed every QAnon post on Reddit. Here’s who QAnon supporters actually are.

43 comments

  1. [20]
    dubteedub
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    As to be expected, most of the greatawakening Qanon posters on reddit also post to r/the_donald and r/conspiracy. It has been known for quite awhile that there is a whole network of altright and...

    As to be expected, most of the greatawakening Qanon posters on reddit also post to r/the_donald and r/conspiracy. It has been known for quite awhile that there is a whole network of altright and altlite subs on reddit where these folks all accumulate together.

    KiA for altright plus video games.

    Cringeanarchy and milliondollarextreme for altright plus memes.

    Theredpill and mensrights for altright plus "dating".

    Metacanada for altright plus Canada.

    I think it is really interesting how much of these altright folks are interested in bitcoin and cyrpto currency. One theory that the author from Vox suggests is that a lot of these guys like the feeling that they know more than others.

    24 votes
    1. [9]
      Deimos
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      Which is pretty funny, because T_D (or at least the mods) hates the whole thing now and have been banning almost everything about it, including a lot of users that try to defend/support it in T_D....

      As to be expected, most of the greatawakening Qanon posters on reddit also post to r/the_donald and r/conspiracy.

      Which is pretty funny, because T_D (or at least the mods) hates the whole thing now and have been banning almost everything about it, including a lot of users that try to defend/support it in T_D.

      A lot of Q-related signs/etc. were being taken away from people as they were going into the last rally too, and I saw some people talking about how even Fox seemed to be showing a lot fewer shots of the crowd than usual. /r/greatawakening tried to play it off as some part of the plan, but it's pretty obvious that it's because they realized it's making the rallies look like they're full of crazy conspiracy-theorists.

      13 votes
      1. [7]
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        1. [6]
          sublime_aenima
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          Due to the fact that it started on 4chan, I'm inclined to believe it's a troll that grew a life of it's own

          Due to the fact that it started on 4chan, I'm inclined to believe it's a troll that grew a life of it's own

          9 votes
          1. [4]
            frickindeal
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            Wikipedia has the following to say about Q clearance: So if the source is real, it's someone pretty high up in government. And they chose 4chan, a site that's relatively unknown to the vast...

            Wikipedia has the following to say about Q clearance:

            Anyone possessing an active Q clearance is always categorized as holding a National Security Critical-Sensitive position (sensitivity Level 3).[3] Additionally, most Q-cleared incumbents will have collateral responsibilities designating them as Level 4: National Security Special-Sensitive personnel.[4] With these two designations standing as the highest-risk sensitivity levels, occupants of these positions hold extraordinary accountability, harnessing the potential to cause exceptionally grave or inestimable damage to the national security of the United States.

            So if the source is real, it's someone pretty high up in government. And they chose 4chan, a site that's relatively unknown to the vast majority of internet users, instead of Twitter, FB, Youtube...hell, anywhere else more visible? Reddit would have worked to get more eyes on it than 4chan.

            And then trickles out vague "information" in the form of questions, inviting you to analyze and come to your own conclusions. That's a recipe for cognitive bias. A lot of it is so vague, you could come up with multiple conclusions. "Why does POTUS surround himself w/ generals?" I don't know, because Presidential cabinets are often made up of career military? It's all so vague (on purpose, I presume), that any meaning anyone gleans out of it is strictly their own interpretation.

            10 votes
            1. [3]
              Pugilistic
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              And yet posting on 4chan is enough to get every major news source to follow your troll campaign.

              And yet posting on 4chan is enough to get every major news source to follow your troll campaign.

              1 vote
              1. [2]
                dubteedub
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                Qanon has been posted for almost a year before before the MSN reported on it and they only did so once it moved it real life. Just this June a Qanon poster took an armored vehicle to the Hoover...

                Qanon has been posted for almost a year before before the MSN reported on it and they only did so once it moved it real life. Just this June a Qanon poster took an armored vehicle to the Hoover Dam and blocked it other some Qanon conspiracy. And now we are seeing dozens of Qanon supporters at Trump's rallies.

                7 votes
                1. Pugilistic
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                  Ah, I didn't know that it had been going on for that long.

                  Ah, I didn't know that it had been going on for that long.

                  1 vote
          2. Pugilistic
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            Misinformation campaigns are actually surprisingly easy to pull off on any site. I wouldn't be surprised if a malicious government or another party is doing its best to push this story to the...

            Misinformation campaigns are actually surprisingly easy to pull off on any site. I wouldn't be surprised if a malicious government or another party is doing its best to push this story to the front of the news. After all the core group is only made up of 400 people. When is the last time we've seen a conspiracy theory this small make it to the center of media attention?

            This whole thing gives me a fucking headache. I can't believe that people are dumb enough to believe what Q says. Trying to read the great awakening is like sorting through a paranoid schizophrenic ramble of meaningless words.

            7 votes
      2. dubteedub
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        I believe much of that has to do with the fact that Sean Spicer did an AMA recently on the_donald and when asked if Q was legit, flat out said no....

        I believe much of that has to do with the fact that Sean Spicer did an AMA recently on the_donald and when asked if Q was legit, flat out said no.

        https://reddit.com/comments/94ebeg/-/e3ke4tu?context=3

        Given that Spicy was at least a former mouthpiece for Trump, the T_D mods are now using that as their current narrative.

        3 votes
      3. arghdos
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        Only semi-related, but the 3rd child comment there saying: made me laugh and laugh and laugh. That's literally what the man is best at ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        Only semi-related, but the 3rd child comment there saying:

        Division tactics don't come from Trump.

        made me laugh and laugh and laugh. That's literally what the man is best at ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        3 votes
    2. [10]
      luffy
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      /r/mensrights got taken over by the alt right? That's a shame, I feel like there should be a respectable platform for discussing this topic.

      /r/mensrights got taken over by the alt right? That's a shame, I feel like there should be a respectable platform for discussing this topic.

      1 vote
      1. [9]
        dubteedub
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        /r/menslib is s good one

        /r/menslib is s good one

        7 votes
        1. [8]
          gretchenfrage
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          I wouldn't mind seeing menslib discussions here. I feel like that community is pretty good at keeping substantive, respectful conversation. Disclaimer: I have absolutely posted there before.

          I wouldn't mind seeing menslib discussions here. I feel like that community is pretty good at keeping substantive, respectful conversation. Disclaimer: I have absolutely posted there before.

          2 votes
          1. [7]
            dubteedub
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            Yeah, that sounds like a really good idea actually. Maybe in the ~humanities channel?

            Yeah, that sounds like a really good idea actually. Maybe in the ~humanities channel?

            2 votes
            1. gretchenfrage
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              Doh! I seriously need to think more about the structure here before I post. I imagine there's a lot of overlap between ~humanities and ~lgbt for menslib discussions - at least with regards to how...

              Doh! I seriously need to think more about the structure here before I post. I imagine there's a lot of overlap between ~humanities and ~lgbt for menslib discussions - at least with regards to how the conversation is handled on the subreddit.

              2 votes
            2. [5]
              Algernon_Asimov
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              No. That's not what the humanities are. The humanities are: History Linguistics Philosophy Theology The arts (which is covered in ~creative). Mens' rights is probably more suited to ~life. Or...

              No. That's not what the humanities are.

              The humanities are:

              • History

              • Linguistics

              • Philosophy

              • Theology

              • The arts (which is covered in ~creative).

              Mens' rights is probably more suited to ~life. Or ~talk or ~misc.

              Tagging ~gretchenfrage: FYI.

              1 vote
              1. [4]
                dubteedub
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                Tha ka, I thought maybe because it would have a philosophical bent it would fit there I forgot about ~life, that is definitely a more appropriate channel

                Tha ka, I thought maybe because it would have a philosophical bent it would fit there

                I forgot about ~life, that is definitely a more appropriate channel

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                  Algernon_Asimov
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                  I don't see what's philosophical about men complaining that their rights are being infringed by women asking for equal treatment, and branding them "feminazis". I'm not even sure that Deimos wants...

                  I thought maybe because it would have a philosophical bent

                  I don't see what's philosophical about men complaining that their rights are being infringed by women asking for equal treatment, and branding them "feminazis". I'm not even sure that Deimos wants to host misogyny like that on Tildes. But, if it is going to be here, it's a ~life issue: it's about relationships and parenting and divorce and such things. It's definitely not a study of philosophy.

                  Or, in other words... keep that hate speech out of ~humanities! I feel slightly responsible for that group seeing as I was the one who suggested it.

                  1. [2]
                    dubteedub
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                    Yeah, that's not at all what menslib is about. Mens lib is a place to discuss issues that affect men from a feminist perspective. It is pretty frustrating that you made so many assumptions about...

                    Yeah, that's not at all what menslib is about. Mens lib is a place to discuss issues that affect men from a feminist perspective.

                    It is pretty frustrating that you made so many assumptions about me, especially thinking that I'm against feminism or pro hate speech dude.

                    If you look at this chain I specifically said that it's the opposite of the MRA community...

                    Here are a few recent threads to give you an example.

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/962h9r/how_have_i_never_heard_of_this_community_you_guys

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/95e9ke/women_changed_too_many_men_didnt_what_happens_next

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/9316m3/im_a_woman_and_i_just_found_this_sub

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/90p6pb/the_way_we_talk_about_married_men

                    2 votes
                    1. Algernon_Asimov
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                      I've made no assumptions at all about you personally: I've been talking about MRA, not dubteedub. I had no idea about your personal views, pro- or anti-MRA, or pro- or anti-feminism, and it didn't...

                      It is pretty frustrating that you made so many assumptions about me

                      I've made no assumptions at all about you personally: I've been talking about MRA, not dubteedub. I had no idea about your personal views, pro- or anti-MRA, or pro- or anti-feminism, and it didn't matter to me. In my mind, I was merely discussing the right place for a topic on Tildes, not your personal opinions.

                      One of those posts you linked sums up my views: "I've long felt distraught that the only community addressing these issues, MRAs, are so anti-feminist and even in many cases misogynist." I was reacting to that view of men's rights.

                      If you look at this chain I specifically said that it's the opposite of the MRA community...

                      With all due respect: no, you didn't. You merely suggested /r/MensLib as an alternative to /r/MensRights. I'd never heard of "Men's Lib" until this thread, and in this context, it's easy to assume it's the same thing as "Men's Rights".

                      /r/MensLib looks not too bad. I searched around and found this article which was an interesting read.

                      I'm sorry for equating "Men's Lib" with "Men's Rights".

  2. [2]
    aphoenix
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    Oh man, 338 of them are in r/wow (which I moderate). Things like this always give me the urge to purge, but I feel like that's just unfair practice. I wonder how many of them have caught unrelated...

    Oh man, 338 of them are in r/wow (which I moderate). Things like this always give me the urge to purge, but I feel like that's just unfair practice.

    I wonder how many of them have caught unrelated bans though. That would be an interesting thing to study; in the "fringe" subreddits, how many of those accounts have been banned. I think mods would have to work with Vox to make that happen though.

    11 votes
    1. dubteedub
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      Lol, Ban em all and let god sort em out. I would be more than happy to supply data for the subs I mod to Vox personally, though they may not be too with how little detail we leave in ban notes for...

      Lol, Ban em all and let god sort em out.

      I would be more than happy to supply data for the subs I mod to Vox personally, though they may not be too with how little detail we leave in ban notes for the most part.

      10 votes
  3. [3]
    RapidEyeMovement
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    Can I ask a simple question, how are these numbers any different then other social media site? Isn't the normal distribution for content creators to consumers?

    Can I ask a simple question, how are these numbers any different then other social media site? Isn't the normal distribution for content creators to consumers?

    6 votes
    1. MimicSquid
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      They do mention in the article that the breakdown of content creators to content consumers is normal; most of the interest is in the differing profiles of those groups as to where else they post.

      They do mention in the article that the breakdown of content creators to content consumers is normal; most of the interest is in the differing profiles of those groups as to where else they post.

      5 votes
    2. Tenar
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      yeah, it's kind of a pity that they say things like "oh they're interested in wow", for all we know the entirety of /r/wow is marxists, except the 200 dudes who post on the qanon sub. It would've...

      yeah, it's kind of a pity that they say things like "oh they're interested in wow", for all we know the entirety of /r/wow is marxists, except the 200 dudes who post on the qanon sub. It would've been more meaningful imo if there was some looking at how they are, proportionally.

      2 votes
  4. [4]
    Bear
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    This election cycle has brought a lot more visibility to the crazies in American society, those who believe in things like conspiracy theories (take your pick), climate change deniers (in any...

    This election cycle has brought a lot more visibility to the crazies in American society, those who believe in things like conspiracy theories (take your pick), climate change deniers (in any capacity), hell even belief in religion has been linked to mental illness. Some would say that religion provides a sense of morals, a sense of purpose, to both, I say hogwash.

    There are more sources, but a good start on the bit that belief in religion is a mental illness is: https://www.indy100.com/article/robert-sapolsky-neuroscientist-thinks-religion-mental-illness-schizophrenia-7834981

    I swear, we need roving mental health teams to test and forcibly treat the public for all mental illnesses.

    Mental health has been neglected for so long that some now consider it to be a person's right to be sick and to refuse treatment.

    I don't buy that. These people need to be brought back into mainstream society. If they want to be a little kooky, that's fine, we have parameters for that (as a random example, people who enjoy renaissance fairs), but this outright wrong stuff that society has disproven? No way.

    6 votes
    1. [3]
      patience_limited
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      I'm not sure why the U.S. in particular has citizens so susceptible to these downward spirals of paranoia, but the classic Richard Hofstadter essay, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics", has...

      I'm not sure why the U.S. in particular has citizens so susceptible to these downward spirals of paranoia, but the classic Richard Hofstadter essay, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics", has some illuminating things to say.

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        Bear
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        Well, without reading the essay yet, I can guess one reason. Our political style, like a lot of our society, is very much "high stakes, winner takes all, hypercompetitive". That cannot be good for...

        Well, without reading the essay yet, I can guess one reason.

        Our political style, like a lot of our society, is very much "high stakes, winner takes all, hypercompetitive". That cannot be good for people's mental health over time. As a society, it's almost heresy for us to say "You know what? My opponent makes some great points, we're both right on some issues".

        2 votes
        1. patience_limited
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          It's not just an American problem, and the essay has some illustrative history of English-language conspiracy theories - everything from the Rosicrucians and Masons to the Bavarian Illuminati. To...

          It's not just an American problem, and the essay has some illustrative history of English-language conspiracy theories - everything from the Rosicrucians and Masons to the Bavarian Illuminati. To some extent, there's a continuing theme of anti-Enlightenment religious backlash, as well as the promulgation of convenient narratives to prop up ideologies that are in danger of failing on their own merits.

          There's a big issue when powerless people start looking for stories to explain their powerlessness. Enmeshing them in distracting tales that don't actually result in productive action is one of the tools that the actual "secret masters" use to ensure continued power.

  5. [12]
    doug3465
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    I’m disappointed in the reputable news orgs that are giving these deranged people any publicity.

    I’m disappointed in the reputable news orgs that are giving these deranged people any publicity.

    4 votes
    1. [8]
      aphoenix
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      It's deranged, but it's also interesting. I think years of sweeping things under the rug has gotten us to the point that we're at now, and that being aware of the fact that a significant amount of...

      It's deranged, but it's also interesting. I think years of sweeping things under the rug has gotten us to the point that we're at now, and that being aware of the fact that a significant amount of the general public have such a mental incapacity is important.

      And I'm stating that prejudice and / or conspiracy theory junkyism is a mental issue. I think a lot of these people just need remedial education or something.

      13 votes
      1. [7]
        Bear
        Link Parent
        I agree, but the $64,000 question is - What do we do about it?

        being aware of the fact that a significant amount of the general public have such a mental incapacity is important.

        I agree, but the $64,000 question is - What do we do about it?

        1 vote
        1. [6]
          aphoenix
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          Pull up a chair, pop a beer, and watch the world burn? Honestly, I have no good ideas. I don't understand how humans have lasted as long as we have. So many of us just try to kill or hate each...

          Pull up a chair, pop a beer, and watch the world burn?

          Honestly, I have no good ideas. I don't understand how humans have lasted as long as we have. So many of us just try to kill or hate each other for no good reason.

          1 vote
          1. [5]
            Bear
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            I just wish there was more to do than just drinking beers and watching the world burn.

            I just wish there was more to do than just drinking beers and watching the world burn.

            1 vote
            1. [2]
              dubteedub
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              We could focus on investing in our failing education system to teach students critical thinking and about how propaganda works. We can also hold technology companies and other organizations...

              We could focus on investing in our failing education system to teach students critical thinking and about how propaganda works.

              We can also hold technology companies and other organizations accountable for their spread of misinformation, bigotry, and conspiracies.

              1 vote
              1. Bear
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                Slowly, tech companies are coming around, but as far as education and critical thinking skills, I agree. However, note how DoE Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos is (or is trying to, I've lost...

                Slowly, tech companies are coming around, but as far as education and critical thinking skills, I agree.

                However, note how DoE Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos is (or is trying to, I've lost track now) draining funds from public schools to private schools. What's that do to the majority of students in public schools?

                In no way do I trust her or the GOP in general to value the education of our children.

                2 votes
            2. [2]
              aphoenix
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              You and me both. If you ever have a good idea, I'd love to hear it. I'm fresh out. I try to take a stand against stupidity when I encounter it, but it gets tiresome because there's just so much of it.

              You and me both. If you ever have a good idea, I'd love to hear it. I'm fresh out.

              I try to take a stand against stupidity when I encounter it, but it gets tiresome because there's just so much of it.

              1. Bear
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                I know the feeling. sigh

                I know the feeling. sigh

                1 vote
    2. dubteedub
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      I think the news media learned from Pizzagate that it is much better to shed light on these nutcases before they go out and commit some act of violence in the real world. Now that people are aware...

      I think the news media learned from Pizzagate that it is much better to shed light on these nutcases before they go out and commit some act of violence in the real world.

      Now that people are aware of how insane this theory is, the people wearing Q shirts or saying WWG1WGA on Twitter are no longer just sending coded messages to each other, we know what they are doing.

      I wish that the MSM had covered pizzagate to this level of detail.

      9 votes
    3. Neverland
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      There was a QAnon banner on stage with Trump at his last rally.

      There was a QAnon banner on stage with Trump at his last rally.

      2 votes
    4. BlackLedger
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      I recently saw a review of a Neil Breen movie, and it made me nostalgic for a world for where that sort of unhinged, unfocused paranoia was confined to that sort of fringe space.

      I recently saw a review of a Neil Breen movie, and it made me nostalgic for a world for where that sort of unhinged, unfocused paranoia was confined to that sort of fringe space.

      1 vote
  6. [2]
    jaynap1
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    The nature of 4chan is that any given post could be legit due to the anonymous nature. Of course, that also means that anyone can claim to be that legitimate person going forward and post...

    The nature of 4chan is that any given post could be legit due to the anonymous nature. Of course, that also means that anyone can claim to be that legitimate person going forward and post nonsense. It’s by design.

    That said, conspiracy theories have been around for a long, long while. I’m not sure why this one bothers people more than others that have been around for ages.

    1 vote
    1. Neverland
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      It could be due in part to the seemingly insane accusations of pedophilia. We just watched a ton of Elon Musk fans turn their backs on him for a similar thing. That seems to be a line for a lot of...

      I’m not sure why this one bothers people more than others that have been around for ages.

      It could be due in part to the seemingly insane accusations of pedophilia. We just watched a ton of Elon Musk fans turn their backs on him for a similar thing. That seems to be a line for a lot of people.

      3 votes