During the last Scottish independence referendum my view (from England) was the same as the Brexit referendum: unity good, stronger together, work out our differences, etc etc. Post-Brexit, seeing...
During the last Scottish independence referendum my view (from England) was the same as the Brexit referendum: unity good, stronger together, work out our differences, etc etc.
Post-Brexit, seeing Scotland's politics become more Scandinavian and England's more American, I now look at Scottish independence and think "go, save yourselves while you still can". With any luck I might even be able to jump on board while they're leaving!
The tongue-in-cheek proposal about the UK remaining an EU member but ejecting England and Wales is starting to sound all too prescient...
From what I've read, hardline Brexit Conservatives would be all too happy for the UK to break apart. There will be no love lost if Scotland goes; NI is nothing but a 'nuisance'. The "muh...
From what I've read, hardline Brexit Conservatives would be all too happy for the UK to break apart. There will be no love lost if Scotland goes; NI is nothing but a 'nuisance'. The "muh sovereign-tee" argument, in reality, has a tremendously narrow scope - mainly focussed on their bank accounts. And if the Brexiters have less to worry about ("Bye Scotland! Don't let the door hit you on the way out!"), the easier it'll be for them turn England+Wales into an off-shore corporatist feudalism. Just swap castles and forts with steel and glass banks. My 2 pence anyway.
Well from the viewpoint of the good parts of the UK (i.e. the Scotland), isn't that better? AFAIK they already have almost all organisation a sovereign state needs to have, from a parliament to...
Well from the viewpoint of the good parts of the UK (i.e. the Scotland), isn't that better? AFAIK they already have almost all organisation a sovereign state needs to have, from a parliament to universities to what not, all is formality. And in a few years, they'd become an EU member. NI can join Ireland and become part of EU, and Ireland has lovely progressive vibes. And the remaining Not-so-U-anymore-K can suffer the consequences of this absurd drama.
In Turkish we have this idiom: "rahat batmak": "one's comfort to prickle them, i.e. to be uncomfortable in comfort and behave so as to lose such comfort". That's what UK has done, IMO.
Absolutley. I don't think it's even spectulative at this point. The SNP will vote down the current Brexit plan with the opposition parties (Labour, etc) and this will mean either a new referendum...
Absolutley. I don't think it's even spectulative at this point. The SNP will vote down the current Brexit plan with the opposition parties (Labour, etc) and this will mean either a new referendum for Brexit, or a "no deal" exit - in which case Scotland will leave, for sure. As a Londoner, it's all pretty amusing (the irony of all of it) and tinged with despair for those who are going to suffer huge poverty. It's crazy.
How is the state of Wales? Just like England or is it more atune to Scotland? Might be interesting if England was ejected and the UK became a Celtic Union of sorts.
How is the state of Wales? Just like England or is it more atune to Scotland? Might be interesting if England was ejected and the UK became a Celtic Union of sorts.
The distinction most people start from is that England & Wales voted leave, whereas Scotland and Northern Ireland voted remain. In very broad strokes, I suppose it depends whether you judge Wales...
The distinction most people start from is that England & Wales voted leave, whereas Scotland and Northern Ireland voted remain.
In very broad strokes, I suppose it depends whether you judge Wales on the Brexit vote (more in line with England), or on the general election (broadly more in line with Scotland, but more nuanced given that Wales voted mostly Labour, whereas the SNP took most of Labour's Scottish seats).
During the last Scottish independence referendum my view (from England) was the same as the Brexit referendum: unity good, stronger together, work out our differences, etc etc.
Post-Brexit, seeing Scotland's politics become more Scandinavian and England's more American, I now look at Scottish independence and think "go, save yourselves while you still can". With any luck I might even be able to jump on board while they're leaving!
The tongue-in-cheek proposal about the UK remaining an EU member but ejecting England and Wales is starting to sound all too prescient...
From what I've read, hardline Brexit Conservatives would be all too happy for the UK to break apart. There will be no love lost if Scotland goes; NI is nothing but a 'nuisance'. The "muh sovereign-tee" argument, in reality, has a tremendously narrow scope - mainly focussed on their bank accounts. And if the Brexiters have less to worry about ("Bye Scotland! Don't let the door hit you on the way out!"), the easier it'll be for them turn England+Wales into an off-shore corporatist feudalism. Just swap castles and forts with steel and glass banks. My 2 pence anyway.
Well from the viewpoint of the good parts of the UK (i.e. the Scotland), isn't that better? AFAIK they already have almost all organisation a sovereign state needs to have, from a parliament to universities to what not, all is formality. And in a few years, they'd become an EU member. NI can join Ireland and become part of EU, and Ireland has lovely progressive vibes. And the remaining Not-so-U-anymore-K can suffer the consequences of this absurd drama.
In Turkish we have this idiom: "rahat batmak": "one's comfort to prickle them, i.e. to be uncomfortable in comfort and behave so as to lose such comfort". That's what UK has done, IMO.
Absolutley. I don't think it's even spectulative at this point. The SNP will vote down the current Brexit plan with the opposition parties (Labour, etc) and this will mean either a new referendum for Brexit, or a "no deal" exit - in which case Scotland will leave, for sure. As a Londoner, it's all pretty amusing (the irony of all of it) and tinged with despair for those who are going to suffer huge poverty. It's crazy.
How is the state of Wales? Just like England or is it more atune to Scotland? Might be interesting if England was ejected and the UK became a Celtic Union of sorts.
The distinction most people start from is that England & Wales voted leave, whereas Scotland and Northern Ireland voted remain.
In very broad strokes, I suppose it depends whether you judge Wales on the Brexit vote (more in line with England), or on the general election (broadly more in line with Scotland, but more nuanced given that Wales voted mostly Labour, whereas the SNP took most of Labour's Scottish seats).