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Natalie Wynn: The stylish socialist who is trying to save YouTube from alt-right domination

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  1. mrbig
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    I love Contrapoints. She brings irony, intelligence and nuance to an otherwise crude and polarized debate.

    I love Contrapoints. She brings irony, intelligence and nuance to an otherwise crude and polarized debate.

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  2. knocklessmonster
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    I found her a couple months ago, and she provides thebsame thing the anti-SJWs I used to watch gemerally did: level-headed discussion. I won't say who because I don't remember entirely, and I...

    I found her a couple months ago, and she provides thebsame thing the anti-SJWs I used to watch gemerally did: level-headed discussion. I won't say who because I don't remember entirely, and I don't know wjere they sit now. However, the people I used tk watch could be seen to be self-radicalizing, while Natalie seems to question everything.

    Her videos make me uncomfortable, particularly some of the pre-transition ones, with the characterization (it's not the crossdressing, but the humor), which makes it better, since she takes reasonable stances, burbalso gives credit to the other side in actually trying to understand them, which tends to be more than can be said about Randi-style skeptics amd anti-SJWs most of the time (not that I'm comparikg them, Myles Power and The Amazing Athist have nothing much in common, comparing YouTube skeptics with political commentators).

    I particularly like her extreme characters abd how they give a representative voice to the people she is criticizing, and doesn't just build a strawman to destroy, whether she's talking about SJWs or fascists.

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  3. jidfshill312
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    Finally, someone is talking about the mouthfeel!

    Finally, someone is talking about the mouthfeel!

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    1. jgb
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      I intended to watch that video the first time it was posted but didn't. It's really, really good. So much discussion about Incels is just virtue-signalling - progressives excitedly telling other...

      I intended to watch that video the first time it was posted but didn't. It's really, really good. So much discussion about Incels is just virtue-signalling - progressives excitedly telling other progressives how abhorrent and misogynistic Incels are, without ever trying to understand how they think and what brought them to the point of thinking that way. Contra, on the other hand, obviously has gained a genuine understanding of the Incel culture - and through the lens of her own experiences presents this understanding in an illuminating and thought-provoking way.

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      Erik
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      She was on Chapo Trap House recently too and I think it's one of their better episodes for people that don't often, or have never, listened to the show. She gives a nice over view along with the...

      She was on Chapo Trap House recently too and I think it's one of their better episodes for people that don't often, or have never, listened to the show. She gives a nice over view along with the regular hosts of a lot of rightwing YouTube that can be pretty eye opening if you're not familiar with it. Chapo tends to be a little inside baseball about the on-line right, which is great if you follow that stuff, but can be opaque from the outside. This episode is a good introduction to stuff like incels, but also Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, and other luminaries of the YouTube right.

      https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-264-the-golden-ones-feat-natalie-wynn-aka-contrapoints-111818

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          super_james
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          Wikipedia:neoliberalism So the Cameron UK Conservatives policies of privitization, austerity, deregulation. Not to mention their support for UK membership in the EU free trade area which hopefully...

          Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism[1] is the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2]:7 Those ideas include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, austerity, deregulation, free trade[3] and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[11] These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.

          So the Cameron UK Conservatives policies of privitization, austerity, deregulation. Not to mention their support for UK membership in the EU free trade area which hopefully doesn't require citation. And this article writer hasn't seen one in the wild for decades? Weird.

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            pleure
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            The media typically has problems calling the dominant ideology what it is because its preferred to present the status quo as just the way things are and dismiss the possibility of an alternative,...

            The media typically has problems calling the dominant ideology what it is because its preferred to present the status quo as just the way things are and dismiss the possibility of an alternative, by naming it you've admitted it's politics not just reality.

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        2. shaunxcode
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          I personally love chapo as they provide a good mix of leftist analysis (e.g. the hosts don’t even all share the same political ideals). I wish we had a chapo tilde.

          I personally love chapo as they provide a good mix of leftist analysis (e.g. the hosts don’t even all share the same political ideals). I wish we had a chapo tilde.

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        3. pleure
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          It's fairly funny but the culture around it can be pretty awful. The hosts also aren't particularly coherent in their ideologies and are sometimes painfully ironic, which I think is part of the...

          It's fairly funny but the culture around it can be pretty awful. The hosts also aren't particularly coherent in their ideologies and are sometimes painfully ironic, which I think is part of the reason people who buy into the "Chapo worldview" can be so obnoxious. If you listen to it just to laugh at conservatives, american liberals, obscure newspaper columnists, and turkish politics its good.

          I like street fight radio more personally.

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        4. frozenplums
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          Not trying to be snarky, but if you are the type to take commentary from Politico seriously, then the podcast isn't for you. Highly recommended though.

          Not trying to be snarky, but if you are the type to take commentary from Politico seriously, then the podcast isn't for you.

          Highly recommended though.