I'm from a Southern state. I left to get an education, and there's no way in hell I will go back to where I came from. The town I am from is just like the ones they're talking about: a couple of...
I'm from a Southern state. I left to get an education, and there's no way in hell I will go back to where I came from. The town I am from is just like the ones they're talking about: a couple of manufacturing plants made the town's economy. As those began to move out, things started getting shittier. As a 17 year-old kid, I couldn't find a job to save my life because many workers from the plants in town didn't have anywhere to go. My dad lost his job of nearly 2 decades, and ended up moving to a large city in Texas to found a job that suited him.
I'm aiming for a career in tech, and the jobs I would want are not in my home state. It's unfortunate because I have so much family there, but I can't have a decent career in my field in that state. I could try getting experience and go back to start my own business, but I fear there isn't enough money being spent to make it a good decision in any sense. I know plenty of others who are doing something similar to me: They have the capability to leave, so they do so. I left and never looked back besides yearly family visits.
The politics are backward, the people seem nice but are often judgemental, and the economy isn't going to keep up with the rest of the country. The article puts many of my opinons and observances into words. What they say about the New South is exactly true: I'd be willing to move to some cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, Rayleigh, etc., but that isn't the same. I cannot imagine living in a rural area unless I was retired (and even then...). I don't see things getting better for many of those living in rural areas for Southern states for a time.
So in other words, the South’s development strategy revolves around sucking up the fruits of public investments and social spending in the rest of the country by promising you wouldn’t have to pay...
So in other words, the South’s development strategy revolves around sucking up the fruits of public investments and social spending in the rest of the country by promising you wouldn’t have to pay for any of it.
Of course it was going to fall apart. They were functionally overleveraging themselves. If you don’t have someone paying for building the infrastructure and educating the public and maintaining a decent regulatory state then all the foundation stones of a functioning modern economy are missing.
It's probably both. If you have a college education, then you're likely to have debt along with dreams of working in your field. Outside of major cities, then broadly speaking you're probably not...
It's probably both.
If you have a college education, then you're likely to have debt along with dreams of working in your field. Outside of major cities, then broadly speaking you're probably not going to find what you're looking for. Southern States have much smaller economies on a good day, and you might be lucky to find a relevant position even in your capital. On top of that, cities in the South are much smaller than those in the Northeast or the West Coast. Cities are often more Blue than Red regardless of where you are geographically, but if the GOP controls your state at that level that's surely an amplifying reason to find a city somewhere a little more.. sane.
People can actually read the whole thing on MSN: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-souths-economy-is-falling-behind-all-of-a-sudden-the-money-stops-flowing/ar-AACCJu6?li=BBnbfcN @Deimos,...
I'm not really sure what to do about it. It's a little weird that it's mirrored on MSN like that, do they have all WSJ articles, or only specific ones? It also seems to be missing some of the...
I'm not really sure what to do about it. It's a little weird that it's mirrored on MSN like that, do they have all WSJ articles, or only specific ones? It also seems to be missing some of the diagrams/photos that are in the original, including a nice diagram of income data by state.
It's also (currently) possible to get past the paywall on any WSJ article by adding ?mod=rsswn on the end of the url.
MSN is pretty weird in general and I am not quite sure how they work. They mirror tons of articles, but I assume they either have permission, or the news orgs themselves submit articles to it....
MSN is pretty weird in general and I am not quite sure how they work. They mirror tons of articles, but I assume they either have permission, or the news orgs themselves submit articles to it. However, I don't really understand why any news orgs choose to allow/do that, since there is never any links to the actual articles on those sites anywhere (other than link rel="canonical" in the source), just basic links to the site they are from. I often use MSN to keep abreast of world news though, since their curation and breadth of coverage is quite good, and as you can see, they often have full copies of paywalled articles.
And no, I don't believe they have all WSJ articles available, only select ones. And it's also super weird it's missing the images and diagrams in this case, since they usually include those.
p.s. Neat trick with the ?mod=rsswn, I will have to remember that. Any idea if automatically adding that to WSJ articles on Tildes would be legal?
You might be surprised. Canadian law can be a bit backwards and confusing sometimes when it comes to any potential circumvention of "digital locks" and/or "technical protection measures":...
I believe WSJ puts some subset of their articles out to other papers if they think it's important to the public discourse. Apple News+ is going to have a similar arrangement. It's definitely worth...
I believe WSJ puts some subset of their articles out to other papers if they think it's important to the public discourse. Apple News+ is going to have a similar arrangement.
It's definitely worth it. The WSJ's opinion and editorial slant is garbage, but I'd put them well over the NY Times and Washington Post on the investigative journalism side.
I'm from a Southern state. I left to get an education, and there's no way in hell I will go back to where I came from. The town I am from is just like the ones they're talking about: a couple of manufacturing plants made the town's economy. As those began to move out, things started getting shittier. As a 17 year-old kid, I couldn't find a job to save my life because many workers from the plants in town didn't have anywhere to go. My dad lost his job of nearly 2 decades, and ended up moving to a large city in Texas to found a job that suited him.
I'm aiming for a career in tech, and the jobs I would want are not in my home state. It's unfortunate because I have so much family there, but I can't have a decent career in my field in that state. I could try getting experience and go back to start my own business, but I fear there isn't enough money being spent to make it a good decision in any sense. I know plenty of others who are doing something similar to me: They have the capability to leave, so they do so. I left and never looked back besides yearly family visits.
The politics are backward, the people seem nice but are often judgemental, and the economy isn't going to keep up with the rest of the country. The article puts many of my opinons and observances into words. What they say about the New South is exactly true: I'd be willing to move to some cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, Rayleigh, etc., but that isn't the same. I cannot imagine living in a rural area unless I was retired (and even then...). I don't see things getting better for many of those living in rural areas for Southern states for a time.
So in other words, the South’s development strategy revolves around sucking up the fruits of public investments and social spending in the rest of the country by promising you wouldn’t have to pay for any of it.
Of course it was going to fall apart. They were functionally overleveraging themselves. If you don’t have someone paying for building the infrastructure and educating the public and maintaining a decent regulatory state then all the foundation stones of a functioning modern economy are missing.
It's probably both.
If you have a college education, then you're likely to have debt along with dreams of working in your field. Outside of major cities, then broadly speaking you're probably not going to find what you're looking for. Southern States have much smaller economies on a good day, and you might be lucky to find a relevant position even in your capital. On top of that, cities in the South are much smaller than those in the Northeast or the West Coast. Cities are often more Blue than Red regardless of where you are geographically, but if the GOP controls your state at that level that's surely an amplifying reason to find a city somewhere a little more.. sane.
People can actually read the whole thing on MSN:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-souths-economy-is-falling-behind-all-of-a-sudden-the-money-stops-flowing/ar-AACCJu6?li=BBnbfcN
@Deimos, this is kind of a weird case, but should the link be replaced with the non-paywalled, aggregated one, or is this comment sufficient?
I'm not really sure what to do about it. It's a little weird that it's mirrored on MSN like that, do they have all WSJ articles, or only specific ones? It also seems to be missing some of the diagrams/photos that are in the original, including a nice diagram of income data by state.
It's also (currently) possible to get past the paywall on any WSJ article by adding
?mod=rsswnon the end of the url.MSN is pretty weird in general and I am not quite sure how they work. They mirror tons of articles, but I assume they either have permission, or the news orgs themselves submit articles to it. However, I don't really understand why any news orgs choose to allow/do that, since there is never any links to the actual articles on those sites anywhere (other than
link rel="canonical"in the source), just basic links to the site they are from. I often use MSN to keep abreast of world news though, since their curation and breadth of coverage is quite good, and as you can see, they often have full copies of paywalled articles.And no, I don't believe they have all WSJ articles available, only select ones. And it's also super weird it's missing the images and diagrams in this case, since they usually include those.
p.s. Neat trick with the
?mod=rsswn, I will have to remember that. Any idea if automatically adding that to WSJ articles on Tildes would be legal?You might be surprised. Canadian law can be a bit backwards and confusing sometimes when it comes to any potential circumvention of "digital locks" and/or "technical protection measures":
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nz7w7k/a-canadian-news-site-just-won-11470-because-someone-bypassed-its-paywall
I believe WSJ puts some subset of their articles out to other papers if they think it's important to the public discourse. Apple News+ is going to have a similar arrangement.
It's definitely worth it. The WSJ's opinion and editorial slant is garbage, but I'd put them well over the NY Times and Washington Post on the investigative journalism side.
Maybe time to think about topic alternative sources and how they best might be implemented (again? I feel like this has come up before).