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FBI document warns conspiracy theories are a new domestic terrorism threat

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  1. [9]
    alyaza
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    ...and just like most FBI/DOJ/three letter agency documents which point to conclusions like this, it will almost certainly be summarily ignored in favor of obtuse and almost entirely irrelevant...

    ...and just like most FBI/DOJ/three letter agency documents which point to conclusions like this, it will almost certainly be summarily ignored in favor of obtuse and almost entirely irrelevant threats like environmental extremists spiking trees or black supremacists and nation of islam types calling for new afrika even though neither has any actual institutional influence to exert in this country, whereas conspiracy theorists have already permeated several institutions under the trump administration. fun times.

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    1. [8]
      OxidadoGuillermez
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      Please, tell me how many resources you think the FBI and DOJ are applying to environmentalists spiking trees.

      Please, tell me how many resources you think the FBI and DOJ are applying to environmentalists spiking trees.

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        alyaza
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        probably more than white supremacists, to be honest! as an example, the jeff sessions DOJ explicitly named black supremacist groups a particular hazard, even though they are scattered to the wind...

        probably more than white supremacists, to be honest! as an example, the jeff sessions DOJ explicitly named black supremacist groups a particular hazard, even though they are scattered to the wind at this point and black supremacy has been fringe since the end of the civil rights movement, and in spite of the fact that white supremacist infiltration of police departments and the government has been a well known issue for over a decade now and has had several major reports done on it by three letter agencies.

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        1. dubteedub
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          Im just gonna drop this here to back you up and in case anyone wants some sources and examples. FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed? In the US,...

          and in spite of the fact that white supremacist infiltration of police departments and the government has been a well known issue for over a decade now and has had several major reports done on it by three letter agencies.

          Im just gonna drop this here to back you up and in case anyone wants some sources and examples.

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        2. [4]
          OxidadoGuillermez
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          I dunno. Gavin Long shot 6 police officers. Micah Johnson shot, I forget, 14? Racially motivated mass violence against civic institutions in both cases. I'm not saying it should be the main...

          I dunno. Gavin Long shot 6 police officers. Micah Johnson shot, I forget, 14? Racially motivated mass violence against civic institutions in both cases.

          I'm not saying it should be the main priority, but let's not pretend it's not worrisome.

          I agree with you and the report that QAnon and conspiracy theories should be an emphasis target.

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            alyaza
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            i mean, there have literally been more attacks by white supremacists against just jewish synagogues specifically in the past calendar year than those two attacks (2 major shootings, a number of...

            I dunno. Gavin Long shot 6 police officers. Micah Johnson shot, I forget, 14? Racially motivated mass violence against civic institutions in both cases.

            I'm not saying it should be the main priority, but let's not pretend it's not worrisome.

            i mean, there have literally been more attacks by white supremacists against just jewish synagogues specifically in the past calendar year than those two attacks (2 major shootings, a number of attempted shootings, several drivebys or attempted arsons); that doesn't account, obviously, for my aforementioned point of white supremacist infiltration of government and state agencies and police departments, other white supremacist violence and terror like the charlottesville car attack, or the fact that there are literal roving far-right paramilitaries and boy's club/fraternity like groups in this country that the government completely ignores. if you're going to try and list examples of black supremacist violence as why there should be scrutiny by the FBI or other three letter agencies, then the lack of DOJ scrutiny against white supremacists relative to their focus on other groups is pretty blatant, because white supremacist violence is by far the most common form of extremist violence in this country.

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            1. [2]
              OxidadoGuillermez
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              Terrorist attacks against the state are worse than such against communities. There should be focus on both.

              Terrorist attacks against the state are worse than such against communities.

              There should be focus on both.

              1. alyaza
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                that's... a pretty dubious take, especially for "lower level" terrorist acts. the state's going to be fine if someone kills a police officer, because the state has a monopoly on violence and one...

                Terrorist attacks against the state are worse than such against communities.

                that's... a pretty dubious take, especially for "lower level" terrorist acts. the state's going to be fine if someone kills a police officer, because the state has a monopoly on violence and one police officer--while sad--is but a singular cog in a great machine, easily replaced and hardly shaking of the status quo that exists. hell, 9/11 happened and while the US was battered because its population never expected such a thing, it only hardened our resolve and made everyone rally around the state such that it got a mandate to do whatever, which it used to pass security measures like the PATRIOT act which we're probably never going to repeal.

                a jewish synagogue that serves an entire community or a historically black church in the shadow of segregation on the other hand or even some random pizza joint might never be the same if they literally do not feel safe existing because white supremacist/far-right/conspiracy theorist violence directed against them goes largely uncurbed because the government is more concerned with pursuing minor militant groups than the ideological group which is disproportionately organized and disproportionately contributes to terrorist violence in this country and many other countries.

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      2. dubteedub
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        I would say a pretty good amount, and likely far more than they have allocated to fighting white supremacy. Standing Rock: DoJ steps up aggression against those still battling the pipeline -...
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