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‘OK Boomer’ Marks the End of Friendly Generational Relations

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  1. [5]
    deknalis
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    Anyone care to refresh my memory on what the "friendly generational relations" were? Was it the parade of articles of what industries millennials were killing because of laziness?

    Anyone care to refresh my memory on what the "friendly generational relations" were? Was it the parade of articles of what industries millennials were killing because of laziness?

    40 votes
    1. [3]
      grahamiam
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      "Politics will be okay when the current crop of old people dies out " has been a mantra in American politics since at least the '60s, and probably longer. It's also a mantra I hate since it...

      "Politics will be okay when the current crop of old people dies out " has been a mantra in American politics since at least the '60s, and probably longer. It's also a mantra I hate since it encourages passivity.

      Edit: Don't trust anyone over thirty! http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2000-04-06/article/759

      19 votes
      1. on_a_trollercoaster
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        It's also a thought i've been having since I was a teen, and it didn't work out. New politicians in my country are just as bad as old ones, because they have to blend with a status quo in order to...

        It's also a thought i've been having since I was a teen, and it didn't work out. New politicians in my country are just as bad as old ones, because they have to blend with a status quo in order to become politicians in the first place.
        My motto is "they are all good guys until they enter parliament and become the bad guys they've been hunting for so long".

        With the steady rise of extremist right-wings movement, populism and racism, the new politicians aren't getting any good at politics than their predecessors.

        9 votes
      2. Douglas
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        Yessir, that Stephen Miller will die any day now. Richard Spencer, Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Tomi Lahren-- they're all on their way out, those old fogies.

        Yessir, that Stephen Miller will die any day now. Richard Spencer, Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Tomi Lahren-- they're all on their way out, those old fogies.

        6 votes
    2. stephen
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      I have an article in my desk from the great corporate rag the Chicago Tribune via WaPo on this very subject and the tone-deafness is staggering. The premise is "Young people are taking longer to...

      I have an article in my desk from the great corporate rag the Chicago Tribune via WaPo on this very subject and the tone-deafness is staggering.

      The premise is "Young people are taking longer to grow up." cringe and the graphic is a getty image of someone with long hair and a beanie on a cell phone. criiiiiiinge The premise is staked on data about trends in teen sex-having, teen driver's license acquisition, underage drinking, and time spent with friends.

      "30 is the new 20 reads the headline"

      At no point does it consider that adulthood and growing is taking a different shape in Gen Z and Millenials than it did with their boomer and Gen X parents. At no point does it consider that some of these factors can be attributed to cultural and economic factors.

      The author just takes as normative their experience of adulthood, identifies some shaky to ill-advised (underage drinking qua growing up?? grow up!) markers and then decides "these kids aren't gonna be grown up until they're 30.

      All the while speaking nothing of the increasing professionalization and competition of secondary education, dim economic prospects, or any of the other 450,866 different factors suggesting adult Gen Z and millenials are not going to resemble their parents.

      My response? { O K - B O O M E R }

      8 votes
  2. [4]
    moonbathers
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    This was less negative than I thought it would be. As long as people continue to hate on young people I'm a-ok with young people clapping back.

    This was less negative than I thought it would be. As long as people continue to hate on young people I'm a-ok with young people clapping back.

    24 votes
    1. [3]
      Douglas
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      I'm surprised how often and quickly "you millennials" comes out whenever I find myself in political conversations with the older generation, and I hate it on account it just feels like everything...

      I'm surprised how often and quickly "you millennials" comes out whenever I find myself in political conversations with the older generation, and I hate it on account it just feels like everything from then on will be dismissed because of my age for some reason.

      I think the last time it happened I was trying to tell my aunt's partner that the word "Chinaman" is racist, which felt silly for "millennial" to come out because that term's been considered racist for quite some time.

      6 votes
      1. moonbathers
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        Yeah, I mean The Big Lebowski brought that up 20 years ago. And heaven forbid you try to be considerate towards other people. It really bugs me when people blanket the entire youth like that, it's...

        Yeah, I mean The Big Lebowski brought that up 20 years ago. And heaven forbid you try to be considerate towards other people.

        It really bugs me when people blanket the entire youth like that, it's one of the most self-unaware things you can do. My grandpa said that stuff about my dad's generation, and his dad said it about his and so on back to the beginning of civilization.

        3 votes
      2. MimicSquid
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        I also find it funny how older people will talk about "millenials these days" being the kids. The thing is, millenials are as old as their late thirties. They're the parents and professionals now....

        I also find it funny how older people will talk about "millenials these days" being the kids. The thing is, millenials are as old as their late thirties. They're the parents and professionals now. The older people just haven't seen things change in the last 20 yours.

        2 votes
  3. [2]
    Leonidas
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    From my perspective on the situation, as generational living conditions have deteriorated (contrary to the article's claim, Millennials are the first generation to experience decline compared to...

    From my perspective on the situation, as generational living conditions have deteriorated (contrary to the article's claim, Millennials are the first generation to experience decline compared to prior generations), Millennials expressed their concerns and frustrations with more sincerity and hope that older generations would listen, whereas Gen Z has simply chosen to mock and disregard the "Boomer establishment" altogether using memes like this. However, it could just be an age/maturity divide that distinguishes the difference in these approaches. And there are plenty of exceptions too--the Parkland activists like Emma Gonzalez and David Hogg come to mind with how serious and articulate they are. Making generation-wide generalizations like this is often tricky.

    15 votes
    1. stephen
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      I completely agree. As a 93 baby I'm on the cusp of Gen Z and Millenial as relate to both. The "millenials are killing X" media trope has to be at least a decade old at this point and the...

      I completely agree. As a 93 baby I'm on the cusp of Gen Z and Millenial as relate to both. The "millenials are killing X" media trope has to be at least a decade old at this point and the socio-economic counterpoints made by millenials is probably just as old.

      The unwillingness approaching disdain of the "OK boomer" mantra stems from the degree to which Gen Z has experienced how unseriously Millenials and they, the Tide Pod generation, are taken by the establishment.

      3 votes
  4. [5]
    thundergolfer
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    I know this is just a small window onto this phenomenon, but it doesn't sit right having so much of the article being about merchandising and consumption.

    I know this is just a small window onto this phenomenon, but it doesn't sit right having so much of the article being about merchandising and consumption.

    12 votes
    1. thundergolfer
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      Fitting that The Guardian has made this exact point. "Ok, Boomer" - How the Gen Z retort of 2019 has been monetised. As a publication they're aren't deliberately blind to this kind of thing like...

      Fitting that The Guardian has made this exact point. "Ok, Boomer" - How the Gen Z retort of 2019 has been monetised. As a publication they're aren't deliberately blind to this kind of thing like the NYT is.

      3 votes
    2. [3]
      zara
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      Maybe the young people who agreed to be part of the article would only do it if NY Times would do some advertising for them?

      Maybe the young people who agreed to be part of the article would only do it if NY Times would do some advertising for them?

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        Diet_Coke
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        It seems like (some) Gen Z think of themselves as brands more than people. I guess the constant barrage of Kardashians and social media might be responsible?

        It seems like (some) Gen Z think of themselves as brands more than people. I guess the constant barrage of Kardashians and social media might be responsible?

        5 votes
        1. thundergolfer
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          I'd hesitate to favour this conclusion since this seems like a perspective on Gen Z that is pushed by the author in her articles, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was a real and troubling...

          I'd hesitate to favour this conclusion since this seems like a perspective on Gen Z that is pushed by the author in her articles, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was a real and troubling phenomenon.

          George Monbiot had an article about celebrity that cited a survey of British youth where an alarming amount of them put "celebrity" as what they wanted to be when they became adults.

          10 votes
  5. stephen
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    I love how tone deaf the title of this article is. It really encapsulates the total lack of self-awareness of the Me Generation and Gen X media establishment's dealing with youth culture -...

    I love how tone deaf the title of this article is. It really encapsulates the total lack of self-awareness of the Me Generation and Gen X media establishment's dealing with youth culture - surprise, surprise. You wanna talk generational warfare let's talk about how much most public schools resemble prisons, student debt, climate change, consumer culture and basically the whole world which I will now broadly gesture at.

    The sole thing I found heartening about this article is so underlying social and political conscious that the interviewees brought to this piece. OK Boomer would be totally different if it was more along the lines of "Mom told me to clean my room #OkBoomer."

    Instead it's "Mom sat idly by while corporations stole my future and made a bunch of demeaning comment about the LGBTQI community #OkBoomer" or "Dad drove his Chevy Suburban to work at Exxon every day and now I don't have a future."

    The kids are our future and I have a lot of hope from what little interaction I have had with them in the last couple years.

    5 votes
  6. [5]
    JeanBaptisteDuToitIV
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    In my experience millennials are the most hostile of the two generations.

    In my experience millennials are the most hostile of the two generations.

    1. [2]
      Leonidas
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      Millennials aren't mentioned in this article though; this is between Boomers and Gen Z.

      Millennials aren't mentioned in this article though; this is between Boomers and Gen Z.

      11 votes
      1. piedpiper
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        Well, they are mentioned in the first sentence, at least.

        Well, they are mentioned in the first sentence, at least.

        1 vote
    2. ubergeek
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      I'd probably agree... Now. But I would be too if I was blamed for every major problem society faces, for the last 15 years as well.

      I'd probably agree... Now. But I would be too if I was blamed for every major problem society faces, for the last 15 years as well.

      3 votes