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Please Leave The Corvette Alone

12 comments

  1. [12]
    pseudolobster
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    Sounds like this author has a case of brand fetishism. Ford isn't discontinuing the ICE Mustang, but people are getting really offended they would use that name on an electric car — as if somehow...

    Sounds like this author has a case of brand fetishism. Ford isn't discontinuing the ICE Mustang, but people are getting really offended they would use that name on an electric car — as if somehow it taints the name and devalues existing Mustangs. I don't really get it. I'm not a car guy, but I don't think this is a car thing. It seems more like a tribalistic elitism thing where branding is more important than accepting a new car for what it is.

    11 votes
    1. [3]
      papasquat
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      I can't really discern a cohesive point from what the guy is saying to be honest. I guess he doesn't want an electric corvette for some reason?

      I can't really discern a cohesive point from what the guy is saying to be honest. I guess he doesn't want an electric corvette for some reason?

      5 votes
      1. daychilde
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        An eCorvette would ruin the world because it would mean an eCorvette exists. Look at the eMustang: The world is ruined because it exists. :rolls eyes:

        An eCorvette would ruin the world because it would mean an eCorvette exists. Look at the eMustang: The world is ruined because it exists. :rolls eyes:

        4 votes
      2. Loire
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        Taken at the most charitable interpretation he is saying GM has two seperate cars in the legacy muscle car format. Instead of doing something interesting with the "popular" and actually successful...

        Taken at the most charitable interpretation he is saying GM has two seperate cars in the legacy muscle car format. Instead of doing something interesting with the "popular" and actually successful car they should take the failing model and make the change with that.

        2 votes
    2. [6]
      hungariantoast
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      I think the thing that you and the other commenters might be misinterpreting is the idea that the author is arguing against the Ford Mustang Mach-E, or some Chevrolet Corvette equivalent, because...

      I think the thing that you and the other commenters might be misinterpreting is the idea that the author is arguing against the Ford Mustang Mach-E, or some Chevrolet Corvette equivalent, because the Mach-E is an electric vehicle. However, as far as I can tell, the author doesn't dislike the Mach-E or abhor the idea of a Corvette equivalent because they dislike the idea of an EV, the issue they take with this stuff seems to be the "crossover" part of what the Mach-E is, not the "electric" part.

      And to be honest, I very much agree with the author that a Mach-E equivalent for the Corvette would be stupid. I'd even go as far as to say it would be tragic.

      I also dislike the Mach-E as well, and I especially dislike that it uses the Mustang brand to prop itself up.

      I depart from the author's opinion however, when it comes to the idea that Chevrolet should co-opt the Camaro brand like Ford has.

      Either way, the fact remains that Ford has bastardized the Mustang, a fifty-five year old brand, perhaps the single most recognizable brand in American automotive history, by tacking onto it an awful crossover. It's a complete departure from the brand's meaning in almost the worse possible way.

      So, this isn't about electric drivetrains. Most "enthusiasts" wouldn't give a damn if the Camaro or Corvette got an EV model. Fuck, the C8 Corvette is getting a hybrid drivetrain. Most people don't care. Most people celebrate that.

      No, the the issue here is that Ford sold the fuck out and bastardized the Mustang to get into the disgusting trend of bloated cars (because Americans are lame and only buy crossovers). Chevrolet shouldn't do the same in my opinion, but what the author is arguing is that, if Chevrolet does sell out like Ford did, they shouldn't do it to the Corvette, which is on fucking fire right now, they should instead do it to the Camaro.

      This article isn't an attack on electric vehicles.

      5 votes
      1. pseudolobster
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        Thanks for the perspective. I'm still not sure I see the reason for all the outrage. At worst it's just tone-deaf marketing, trying to capture a segment using an established name and going about...

        Thanks for the perspective. I'm still not sure I see the reason for all the outrage. At worst it's just tone-deaf marketing, trying to capture a segment using an established name and going about it all wrong. To me though, I don't care much one way or the other what things are named — a rose by any other name and all that. I can see if you're really invested in the mustang name, and are really proud about driving a mustang, and someone comes along driving a stupid-looking SUV and says "hey guys! I'm driving a mustang too!" could piss off people in the "mustang club", but honestly get over it. It's a name. For a car. I wish people could get over branding and elitist cliques for a moment and judge a car for its merits in a vacuum is all.

        2 votes
      2. [4]
        papasquat
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        So he's upset because Ford made a mustang body style that people wanted? And he doesn't want GM to make a Corvette body style that people want? Huh?

        So he's upset because Ford made a mustang body style that people wanted? And he doesn't want GM to make a Corvette body style that people want?

        Huh?

        1. [3]
          hungariantoast
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          No, the author is upset because people are suggesting that Chevrolet follow in Ford's footsteps with the Corvette brand. The reason that is upsetting actually works for both the Mustang, the...

          No, the author is upset because people are suggesting that Chevrolet follow in Ford's footsteps with the Corvette brand.

          The reason that is upsetting actually works for both the Mustang, the Corvette, and even the Camaro though:

          Ford took its Mustang brand and added to the lineup a new platform and body style that is worse than their traditional pony car in several ways. It's a betrayal of what the brand is supposed to be and stand for.

          This would be like if AMD introduced a new line of dual core processors that were priced the same as their usual eight+ core products, but were significantly slower. People would be irate.

          Same thing with the Mach-E. It's just a worse product than your regular Mustang in a lot of ways. An EV Mustang, without the crossover fuckery, would have been fine.

          2 votes
          1. [2]
            pseudolobster
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            Ah ok, so this is where I might be misunderstanding things. Has Ford said they're going to cancel the internal combustion mustang line in favour of this "Mach-E" model? Doing a quick google search...

            If AMD stopped selling eight core processors next year and only stuck to selling dual core processors

            Ah ok, so this is where I might be misunderstanding things. Has Ford said they're going to cancel the internal combustion mustang line in favour of this "Mach-E" model? Doing a quick google search for "2021 Mustang GT" shows some really normal looking mustangs. If they're discontinuing their iconic muscle car in favour of this crossover thing, I can understand the hate a lot more. I haven't read anything suggesting that's the case though.

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            1. hungariantoast
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              Thanks for pointing that out, but no, the traditional pony car will still be sold.

              Thanks for pointing that out, but no, the traditional pony car will still be sold.

    3. [2]
      babypuncher
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      People are stupid. It's as simple as that. Even if the ICE Mustang was being discontinued, those people need to get with the times. In 40 years, ICE vehicles will probably be a thing with the...

      People are stupid. It's as simple as that. Even if the ICE Mustang was being discontinued, those people need to get with the times. In 40 years, ICE vehicles will probably be a thing with the past, and they are just going to have to deal with it. It's not like high performance EVs aren't a thing.

      1 vote
      1. hungariantoast
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        This article is not bashing electric vehicles. All the author is doing is talking about how silly it would be for Chevrolet to use the Corvette brand the same way Ford has used the Mustang brand:...

        This article is not bashing electric vehicles.

        All the author is doing is talking about how silly it would be for Chevrolet to use the Corvette brand the same way Ford has used the Mustang brand: To launch itself into the electric vehicle market for people who don't want to be associated with Ford as a company.

        Am I missing something here? Which part of this article is attacking the idea of an electric Mustang? All I see is the author describing how the crossover-Mustang mix up is bad, but how, if Chevrolet chooses to go the same route, they should do so with the Camaro, not the Corvette.

        1 vote