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Sweet Anita on Tourette's racial slur controversy

16 comments

  1. Keegan
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    That part about being afraid to pick up the phone to talk to her dad was really sad :(

    That part about being afraid to pick up the phone to talk to her dad was really sad :(

    6 votes
  2. [14]
    haze
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    I don’t think she should receive special treatment just because of her disability regardless of how she feels about it, she runs a stream and there is technology available (since before she was...

    I don’t think she should receive special treatment just because of her disability regardless of how she feels about it, she runs a stream and there is technology available (since before she was born) to censor pseudo-live content. If she knew about her tics and certain words that were already on shaky ground on twitch it should have been a simple extra step she needed to take to make sure she adhered to the rules

    3 votes
    1. [7]
      Keegan
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      Her point for not censoring herself is that it isn't right to have to ruin the "live" part of streaming because of a disability. Also, what kind of message does censoring her tics send to other...

      Her point for not censoring herself is that it isn't right to have to ruin the "live" part of streaming because of a disability. Also, what kind of message does censoring her tics send to other people with Tourettes? That they have to withdraw from the public if they can't censor themselves.

      18 votes
      1. [6]
        haze
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        You only have to censor your tics if you're going to say things like the N word.

        You only have to censor your tics if you're going to say things like the N word.

        2 votes
        1. [4]
          nothis
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          Sorry but that’s a disgusting statement.

          Sorry but that’s a disgusting statement.

          13 votes
          1. [3]
            haze
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            It's literally against the twitch rules, I don't see the problem here.

            It's literally against the twitch rules, I don't see the problem here.

            1 vote
            1. vivaria
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              "It's against Twitch's rules" doesn't really... mean anything? Rules are only as powerful as their enforcement, and it doesn't seem like Twitch is going to do anything. (I don't know how reputable...

              "It's against Twitch's rules" doesn't really... mean anything? Rules are only as powerful as their enforcement, and it doesn't seem like Twitch is going to do anything. (I don't know how reputable the following source is, but it seems to be claiming "Twitch’s moderation team has decided that Sweet Anita’s remarks do not violate the site’s community guidelines." I haven't been able to find anything to back this up, though.)

              Most of the time the people running the platform recognize that things aren't as black and white as their rules would lead you to believe. These situations tend to be pretty flexible depending on the optics of the situation and the motivations of the people running the platform. If the rules weren't flexible behind the curtains, then things would fall apart pretty quickly.

              I've posted this blog post a bajillion times but it does a great job at demonstrating that things get sticky fast when you define a set of community guidelines then try to adhere to it strictly: https://eev.ee/blog/2016/07/22/on-a-technicality/ It might feel unfair to see people seemingly breaking the rules and getting away with it, but I'd really encourage you to stop having so much blind trust in rules to begin with. They're not as ironclad as you might think.

              (EDIT: This comment is all an aside from the discussion around disability, too. It isn't meant to make any comments about whether or not people with tics should be forced to censor themselves.)

              9 votes
            2. Keegan
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              I don't think it goes against TOS/Community Guidelines. Her usage doesn't "promote, encourage, or facilitate discrimination, denigration, objectification, harassment, or violence". She isn't doing...

              I don't think it goes against TOS/Community Guidelines. Her usage doesn't "promote, encourage, or facilitate discrimination, denigration, objectification, harassment, or violence". She isn't doing that. It's clear from the scenario that it isn't. While Twitch says that "hateful conduct is a zero-tolerance violation", they also say "Twitch will consider a number of factors to determine the intent and context of any reported hateful conduct."

              Twitch decides if it's okay or not. The context clearly shows that it doesn't violate rules.

              Relevant Community Guidelines

              Hateful conduct is any content or activity that promotes, encourages, or facilitates discrimination, denigration, objectification, harassment, or violence based on the following characteristics, and is strictly prohibited:

              • Race, ethnicity, or national origin
              • Religion
              • Sex, Gender, or Gender Identity
              • Sexual Orientation
              • Age
              • Disability or Medical Condition
              • Physical Characteristics
              • Veteran Status

              Twitch will consider a number of factors to determine the intent and context of any reported hateful conduct. Hateful conduct is a zero-tolerance violation. We will take action on all accounts associated with such conduct with a range of enforcement actions, including and up to indefinite suspension.

              8 votes
        2. Keegan
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          The problem is that the stress from being afraid to say it in a tic has made Anita say it more frequently, even in public, which has caused her to have to go to different stores (probably from...

          The problem is that the stress from being afraid to say it in a tic has made Anita say it more frequently, even in public, which has caused her to have to go to different stores (probably from getting kicked out or being ashamed to go back).

          Edit:
          She talks about this in the video. People only got upset when she said that, not when she had faggot as a tic. Half of her family is black, so she clearly isn't using it to be offensive or as an insult, and she isn't straight. What is wrong with saying a word when it clearly isn't being used offensively and is not intentional?

          7 votes
    2. [6]
      stu2b50
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      I disagree. I think there's no better grounds to get "special" treatment than a disability. I really don't see the issue letting her go on.

      I don’t think she should receive special treatment just because of her disability

      I disagree. I think there's no better grounds to get "special" treatment than a disability. I really don't see the issue letting her go on.

      13 votes
      1. [5]
        haze
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        I meant ban evasion, a tic with someones vocabulary doesn't exclude someone from the rules, otherwise others could follow suit and lie

        I meant ban evasion, a tic with someones vocabulary doesn't exclude someone from the rules, otherwise others could follow suit and lie

        1. vivaria
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          If I had a nickel for every time I heard this re: disability accommodations I receive at university! That perspective is a big barrier for people like me getting the help they need. In practice,...

          otherwise others could follow suit and lie

          If I had a nickel for every time I heard this re: disability accommodations I receive at university! That perspective is a big barrier for people like me getting the help they need.

          In practice, though, the kind of people who are so determined to say a slur without retribution that they would pretend to have a disability just to say one... they'll probably find ways to get around any rules you try to set. The hypothetical kind of falls apart when you think about what effort is actually necessary to cheat the system. I just don't even know how much that happens in practice, too. It's a pretty high-risk, low-reward play, don't you think?

          But that's beside the point. IMO people taking advantage of goodwill and accommodations is an acceptable side effect if it means that support is given to those who need it. I don't think bad actors should have the power to spoil things for the honest and genuine folk.

          16 votes
        2. hhh
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          I don't think we should harm disabled people to stop hypothetical bad actors. while it's possible others could try to use it for ban evasion, I think it would be pretty obvious to Twitch if that...

          I don't think we should harm disabled people to stop hypothetical bad actors. while it's possible others could try to use it for ban evasion, I think it would be pretty obvious to Twitch if that we're the case. meanwhile, removing anita would actively discourage people with Tourettes (or at least the form she has) from broadcasting themselves on Twitch.

          8 votes
        3. [2]
          stu2b50
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          Just require a formal verification of disability. Problem solved. They probably already do that behind the scenes regardless. Disabilities allow people to bend the rules in all kinds of places....

          Just require a formal verification of disability. Problem solved. They probably already do that behind the scenes regardless.

          Disabilities allow people to bend the rules in all kinds of places. That's the point.

          5 votes
          1. bloup
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            Oh, so just have a registry for disabled people? Lmao no thanks. In the end, it's really easy to tell if someone is ticing or if they are saying something in earnest. People who just want to say...

            Oh, so just have a registry for disabled people? Lmao no thanks. In the end, it's really easy to tell if someone is ticing or if they are saying something in earnest. People who just want to say the N word aren't really going to be accomplishing much by claiming Tourette syndrome when the use of the word is limited to the context of basically scratching a neurological itch. It's not like you can go on racist tirades and just say "oh but I have Tourette syndrome!"

            3 votes