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Democrats need to reimagine their role. They cannot merely defend the political system. They must rebuild it.

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      And there's the rub. Namely, money. Must everything in the USA be centered around money? This capitalistic society, where most everything is approached with dollars, will never see any progression...

      Biden is the reason my minimum wage increased and I have more money in my pocket

      And there's the rub. Namely, money.

      Must everything in the USA be centered around money? This capitalistic society, where most everything is approached with dollars, will never see any progression towards equity.

      Derrick Jensen's Endgame premise twelve:

      There are no rich people in the world, and there are no poor people. There are just people. The rich may have lots of pieces of green paper that many pretend are worth something—or their presumed riches may be even more abstract: numbers on hard drives at banks—and the poor may not. These “rich” claim they own land, and the “poor” are often denied the right to make that same claim. A primary purpose of the police is to enforce the delusions of those with lots of pieces of green paper. Those without the green papers generally buy into these delusions almost as quickly and completely as those with. These delusions carry with them extreme consequences in the real world.

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        Money is just a stand-in for power. The power to feed yourself and your loved ones, the power to choose where you live, the power to leave a job you don't like. Perhaps other people in other...

        Money is just a stand-in for power. The power to feed yourself and your loved ones, the power to choose where you live, the power to leave a job you don't like. Perhaps other people in other countries have other stand-ins for those things, but it's not money's fault. It's the fault of a system that require that money be held for power to be had.

        If you want a different system that has some other way of distributing power, cool, but as long as we're in this one, complaining that wealth is the sorting mechanism seems pretty pointless. Especially when we're talking about the current motivations of people living within that system.

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          Maybe unknowingly, you have agreed with my point. I'm not condemning anyone that lives in this situation such as my self. I am just trying to educate those of us that live within this paradigm.

          Maybe unknowingly, you have agreed with my point. I'm not condemning anyone that lives in this situation such as my self. I am just trying to educate those of us that live within this paradigm.

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            No, I mean: All else being unchanged, until such time as some other metric is used for distributing power, of course everything must be centered around money. If some other locus of control...

            No, I mean: All else being unchanged, until such time as some other metric is used for distributing power, of course everything must be centered around money. If some other locus of control emerges, unless everyone's basic needs are truly met everyone will be focused on that instead. It's not about the money, but the existence of inequality. As such, complaining about the yardstick through which we measure inequality is a distraction. I do agree that the degree of inequality needs to be resolved, but I don't think that the fact that we have a measure of value has much to do with that.

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              Yes. Who's complaining? The 'measure of value' was invented and is perpetuated by those that seek to keep you and I powerless. Powerlessness is defined and kept alive by these same people. It's...

              It's not about the money, but the existence of inequality

              Yes.

              ...complaining about the yardstick through which we measure inequality is a distraction.

              Who's complaining?

              I don't think that the fact that we have a measure of value has much to do with that.

              The 'measure of value' was invented and is perpetuated by those that seek to keep you and I powerless. Powerlessness is defined and kept alive by these same people. It's all a facade and a lie. Again, we are living inside a paradigm created by humans.

              Let's examine another paradigm. Namely, time. We've all heard that 'time is money'. This is total bullshit. Of course, for the ones that perpetuate this lie, it is true. But only in the sense of capitalism.

              Realistically, time is a measurement between objects. In other words, we measure the distance between the Earth and the Moon and the Sun to measure time. It is something that humans have done to, possibly, keep appointments or what have you.

              Distances between celestial objects (Earth, Moon, and Sun) change a lot. Therefore, time is not 'real' and is a human construct or paradigm.

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                I'm sorry, I took your initial statement as an expression of dissatisfaction regarding the fact that people in the USA want money. Did I misunderstand? It sounded to me like a complaint regarding...

                I'm sorry, I took your initial statement as an expression of dissatisfaction regarding the fact that people in the USA want money. Did I misunderstand? It sounded to me like a complaint regarding capitalism that was really tangential to a statement that people need to see a quick return from Democrats to reward them for their votes and faith in the recent election.

                Anyway, things having variable value and entities recognizing that is not a human-centric concept, nor was it invented by humans. My dog likes food more than he likes rocks. Amoeba will move from areas of low resource density to those of high resource density. I like soft smooth bedding more than I like laying on gravel. None of that is exclusive to humans or capitalism.

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                  People, including my self, accomplish a lot of things for the benefit of complete strangers (and biological life itself) without a desire for reciprocation. That was part of my initial point.

                  People, including my self, accomplish a lot of things for the benefit of complete strangers (and biological life itself) without a desire for reciprocation. That was part of my initial point.

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    Chose a quote from the 2nd paragraph for the title because I think it's less inflammatory and more representative of the author's argument than the actual headline. This is from Ezra Klein,...

    Chose a quote from the 2nd paragraph for the title because I think it's less inflammatory and more representative of the author's argument than the actual headline.

    This is from Ezra Klein, formerly one of the cofounders of Vox, who just recently left and started writing for the NYT.

    Among the many tributaries flowing into Trumpism, one in particular has gone dangerously overlooked. In their book “Presidents, Populism and the Crisis of Democracy,” the political scientists William Howell and Terry Moe write that “populists don’t just feed on socioeconomic discontent. They feed on ineffective government — and their great appeal is that they claim to replace it with a government that is effective through their own autocratic power.”

    Donald Trump was this kind of populist. Democrats mocked his “I alone can fix it” message for its braggadocio and feared its authoritarianism, but they did not take seriously the deep soil in which it was rooted: The American system of governance is leaving too many Americans to despair and misery, too many problems unsolved, too many people disillusioned. It is captured by corporations and paralyzed by archaic rules. It is failing, and too many Democrats treat its failures as regrettable inevitabilities rather than a true crisis.

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