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Disney announces dates for new Star Wars movies, MCU Phase 4, and more

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  1. [29]
    Pilgrim
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    I was just talking to a comic shop owner the other day and we both agreed we're well into Marvel fatigue (personally that is). The next phase of Marvel, and probably Star Wars, are going to have...

    I was just talking to a comic shop owner the other day and we both agreed we're well into Marvel fatigue (personally that is). The next phase of Marvel, and probably Star Wars, are going to have to be really compelling to get my dollars. And I don't know anyone excited for Avatar.

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    1. [4]
      hamstergeddon
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      I really don't understand Avatar's appeal. The only interesting thing about it when it came out was how good the CGI was. Nobody ever said "hey check out Avatar, it has a great story!" or "Hey...

      I really don't understand Avatar's appeal. The only interesting thing about it when it came out was how good the CGI was. Nobody ever said "hey check out Avatar, it has a great story!" or "Hey Avatar's characters are super compelling check it!" it was always "Go see Avatar in theaters, it looks amazing". Maybe that's enough to warrant a sequel, but why multiple sequels? Why a theme park?

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      1. firstname
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        I also feel like it tapped into the "market" of environmentalism and exploitation of nature around when it had a peak in interest. Movies like An Inconvenient Truth had come out just 3 years prior...

        I also feel like it tapped into the "market" of environmentalism and exploitation of nature around when it had a peak in interest. Movies like An Inconvenient Truth had come out just 3 years prior for example.

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      2. [2]
        alyaza
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        i'm going to guess mostly because it made 2.9 billion dollars at the box office, and that had it not done so, cameron's planned sequels would have fallen through.

        Maybe that's enough to warrant a sequel, but why multiple sequels?

        i'm going to guess mostly because it made 2.9 billion dollars at the box office, and that had it not done so, cameron's planned sequels would have fallen through.

        1. hamstergeddon
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          Yes I suppose that would grease the sequel wheels a bit, wouldn't it?

          Yes I suppose that would grease the sequel wheels a bit, wouldn't it?

    2. [6]
      ThatFanficGuy
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      I'm getting fatigued by the Netflix series, though. All of Daredevil was fantastic, both seasons of Luke Cage were alright, and they started pulling something dark yet enticing with Jessica Jones....

      we're well into Marvel fatigue (personally that is)

      I'm getting fatigued by the Netflix series, though. All of Daredevil was fantastic, both seasons of Luke Cage were alright, and they started pulling something dark yet enticing with Jessica Jones. At the same time, there was nothing interesting about the second season of The Punisher, even though I enjoyed the first one. The second Iron Fist... even more meh than the first one. If Jessica Jones' third season is not captivating enough within the first couple of episodes, I'm not gonna watch it.

      As for the films... I started this comment by saying "No, I'm still excited about all of 'em, and I'm still looking forward to seeing what ever single one has in store" – much like I would when the MCU was just starting – but: no, I'm getting there, too. I'm still excited to see what Captain Marvel could give, and I'm excited for Endgame (which I'm not gonna be watching for months still), and I'm looking forward to Spider-Man: Far From Home (and seeing Mysterio in a live-action film in particular), but...

      If it's all the same things, I may end up not finishing any given film. People were raving about Wonder Woman, and I couldn't get past its first 20 minutes. If Captain Marvel is similar in enough aspects, I'm going to quit early. Probably not gonna quit Endgame mid-film because of all the emotional investment, but whatever follows may not get my attention. After seeing the lackluster structure of the first Black Panther (they could've expanded so much on the nature and the statecraft of Wakanda), I might not want to see another one of that series. Not that curious about a Black Widow standalone... etc. etc..

      MCU, as a whole, is an amazing thing. It's an era in the history of modern cinematography, and its existence is a major achievement in itself.

      I guess there may be enough of any good thing, though.

      2 votes
      1. [3]
        Grzmot
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        All the Netflix shows got cancelled, so I guess you'll be fine on that front.

        All the Netflix shows got cancelled, so I guess you'll be fine on that front.

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        1. [2]
          ThatFanficGuy
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          Your reply feel antagonistic, and I don't see a reason for it.

          Your reply feel antagonistic, and I don't see a reason for it.

          1. Grzmot
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            I wasn't trying to appear that way. Simply stating that the Netflix shows are over, and therefore they aren't of any concern anymore.

            I wasn't trying to appear that way. Simply stating that the Netflix shows are over, and therefore they aren't of any concern anymore.

            6 votes
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        1. ThatFanficGuy
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          Thanks, but I'd rather form my own opinion about the films I anticipate. Some of the best films I enjoyed were underrated on film score sites, and some of the worst ones were lauded. Go figure....

          Thanks, but I'd rather form my own opinion about the films I anticipate. Some of the best films I enjoyed were underrated on film score sites, and some of the worst ones were lauded. Go figure. Might as well see for myself.

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      3. Pilgrim
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        The Netflix series was a soap opera for men. I couldn't finish any of them except Daredevil, and that had more to do with the supporting cast than good writing (they were phenomenal!). Let me be...

        The Netflix series was a soap opera for men. I couldn't finish any of them except Daredevil, and that had more to do with the supporting cast than good writing (they were phenomenal!).

        Let me be clear - I love Marvel, I love the movie franchise, I wanted to love the shows but I'm officially labeling myself a "casual" because I just can't anymore with so, so many films and TV shows.

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      alyaza
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      avatar has its fans, but honestly they waited far too long to start making the sequels (a literal, actual fucking decade plus two years at this point is when they're going to release the first...

      And I don't know anyone excited for Avatar.

      avatar has its fans, but honestly they waited far too long to start making the sequels (a literal, actual fucking decade plus two years at this point is when they're going to release the first sequel), and while i'm sure they won't bomb because enough people will probably be pulled in just on the novelty that the original one had, i can't see them living up to the original, which itself was honestly pretty forgettable.

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      1. [4]
        mrbig
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        I'm very eager to see Avatar, TBH. James Cameron is a solid director and the first one was amazing.

        I'm very eager to see Avatar, TBH. James Cameron is a solid director and the first one was amazing.

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          firstname
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          James Cameron is always a safe bet for a Corp like Disney.

          James Cameron is always a safe bet for a Corp like Disney.

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            mrbig
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            AFAIK, all his movies range from good to excellent. Not even Spielberg has a track record like his.

            AFAIK, all his movies range from good to excellent. Not even Spielberg has a track record like his.

            1. firstname
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              All big directors/creators has their own distinguished style, it´s hard for me to rank them, much easier to rank their movies with the directors in their own bracket. Cameron has created two of my...

              All big directors/creators has their own distinguished style, it´s hard for me to rank them, much easier to rank their movies with the directors in their own bracket.

              Cameron has created two of my absolute favorite movies, Terminator 2 and Aliens. I have no idea how many times i have seen them both.

              I cherished both of those VHS tapes as a kid, i remember i had stickers all over the Terminator 2 one ^^
              It´s two of those movies that i truly grew up with, and has a special place in my heart because of it.

              Both my dad and mother loves movies, even though i was young my father let me watch the adult rated movies, as long as he was present, and i thank him for that. I have a very found memory of him coming into my room and said, there is this movie that you have to watch with me, we talked a bit about world war 2, and the importance of this film we where going to see. he then took me into our tv room, and put on Schindler's List(by Steven Spielberg as you mentioned). I was 7 at the time, but he thought it was to important that i watched it with him.

              I was pretty bright as a child, and he knew i could take it in, in a healthy and educational way, as long as we could talk about it afterwards, which i did. I love books when i get around to read one, but film is my thing, truly(that and music, entertainment wise). And i have my father to thank for that.

              more on topic

              I watch more then one movie a week pretty much, and it´s hard to find something old or new worth my time. Today i watched something new to me, and amazing actually, just before this comment. I can strongly recommend The Tale of The Princess Kaguya. It´s pretty fitting given this is a topic about Disney and it´s an animated film.
              Not sure why it took me so long to come around and watch it since it´s made by one of my favorite movie creators called Isao Takahata. Mostly known for creating Grave of the Fireflies, one of the best animated movies created of all time, and a stample name from Studio Ghibli.

      2. Apos
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        I also thought it was forgettable originally. Over the years, I rewatched it a few times and I like it more and more. It has inspired me quite a lot in the making of my game.

        I also thought it was forgettable originally. Over the years, I rewatched it a few times and I like it more and more. It has inspired me quite a lot in the making of my game.

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      3. [9]
        Pilgrim
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        I can't even name a character from the first movie. Disney soooo wants it to be a franchise and Cameron has really sold them on it, but we'll see.

        I can't even name a character from the first movie. Disney soooo wants it to be a franchise and Cameron has really sold them on it, but we'll see.

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          alyaza
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          well, cameron also kinda wants it to be a franchise thing. it's basically been his pet project since 1995 which he only got to realize in all its spectacular detail in the mid-2000s, and i'm...

          Disney soooo wants it to be a franchise and Cameron has really sold them on it, but we'll see.

          well, cameron also kinda wants it to be a franchise thing. it's basically been his pet project since 1995 which he only got to realize in all its spectacular detail in the mid-2000s, and i'm pretty sure he always wanted sequels on some level, he just needed to produce the revenue to justify them (which he did, obviously).

          1. Pilgrim
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            Yeah I wasn't trying to imply otherwise.

            cameron also kinda wants it to be a franchise thing

            Yeah I wasn't trying to imply otherwise.

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          mrbig
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          That's not really a good metric for assessing either the quality or the lasting effect of a movie. Some beautiful scenes and images from Avatar will never be erased from my mind, and, for a movie,...

          I can't even name a character from the first movie.

          That's not really a good metric for assessing either the quality or the lasting effect of a movie. Some beautiful scenes and images from Avatar will never be erased from my mind, and, for a movie, that is much more important. I can tell you the same about a bunch of other films. Also: some scripts repeat character names a lot more than others.

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            Pilgrim
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            I sort of think it is though. I can't think of another popular franchise where the main characters aren't widely known. Star Wars? Harry Potter? Star Trek? Indiana Jones? Lord of the Rings? Maybe...

            I sort of think it is though. I can't think of another popular franchise where the main characters aren't widely known. Star Wars? Harry Potter? Star Trek? Indiana Jones? Lord of the Rings?

            Maybe Jurassic Park if you only count the new movies (which I think are mostly forgettable, but I'm probably showing my middle-age bias there).

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            1. [4]
              mrbig
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              All those franchises had multiple movies to engrave their character names in our minds. Some have the names in the titles. Avatar is just one movie full of blue people.

              All those franchises had multiple movies to engrave their character names in our minds. Some have the names in the titles. Avatar is just one movie full of blue people.

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                Pilgrim
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                Fair point. My .02 is the movie relied on style over substance and I'll be curious if that'll continue to be a winning formula. But only time will tell.

                Fair point. My .02 is the movie relied on style over substance and I'll be curious if that'll continue to be a winning formula. But only time will tell.

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                  mrbig
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                  One could easily argue that, in art, style is substance.

                  One could easily argue that, in art, style is substance.

                  1. Pilgrim
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                    Sure, I agree that it can be. :)

                    Sure, I agree that it can be. :)

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      Apos
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      I can't wait for Avatar. I'll be enjoying it just for the graphics. If the story is also good, it will be incredible.

      I can't wait for Avatar. I'll be enjoying it just for the graphics. If the story is also good, it will be incredible.

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      1. [2]
        Pilgrim
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        I hope it's really awesome and everyone likes it. I never did see the original in 3D so maybe that's my problem.

        I hope it's really awesome and everyone likes it. I never did see the original in 3D so maybe that's my problem.

        1. mrbig
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          I really dislike 3D and in my opinion you didn’t miss anything worthwhile.

          I really dislike 3D and in my opinion you didn’t miss anything worthwhile.

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    hamstergeddon
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    My kneejerk reaction to Disney's live action remakes is annoyance, but I have to admit Lion King excites me and I'm stoked to see they're doing a live action Mulan.

    My kneejerk reaction to Disney's live action remakes is annoyance, but I have to admit Lion King excites me and I'm stoked to see they're doing a live action Mulan.

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    1. alyaza
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      i would have more optimism with their planned remakes if the more recent ones didn't look so bland and/or they didn't do such a bad job of selling them to people. they legit gave the lion king the...

      i would have more optimism with their planned remakes if the more recent ones didn't look so bland and/or they didn't do such a bad job of selling them to people. they legit gave the lion king the palette of a war movie when the animated movie had nowhere near anything like that, and the result is that it looks super uninteresting; they're also just doing a straight up bad job with selling aladdin and i'm not confident they're gonna make a good one out of that. it's really weird too because they rattled off a couple of good ones before they really got into the swing of making them. a few of them honestly sucked, but cinderella, the jungle book, and beauty and the beast were all critically praised, and people generally seemed to like maleficent even though critics kinda didn't.

      3 votes
  3. [9]
    ThatFanficGuy
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    Off-topic: Polygon's "ACCEPT OUR COOKIES DAMMIT" strategy is very loud. I can't even see the whole header. Don't be like Polygon.

    Off-topic: Polygon's "ACCEPT OUR COOKIES DAMMIT" strategy is very loud. I can't even see the whole header.

    Don't be like Polygon.

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      Apos
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      But did you accept?

      But did you accept?

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      1. ThatFanficGuy
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        I set the browser to default to not accepting a thing, and Polygon is not on the whitelist, so even if I did, I'd still be seeing the damn half-screen banner on every page.

        I set the browser to default to not accepting a thing, and Polygon is not on the whitelist, so even if I did, I'd still be seeing the damn half-screen banner on every page.

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      cfabbro
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      No, be like Polygon or risk violating the ePrivacy directive and GDPR. IANAL but AFAIK, Cookies are considered "unique identifiers" which fall under "personal data" and therefor require explicit...

      No, be like Polygon or risk violating the ePrivacy directive and GDPR. IANAL but AFAIK, Cookies are considered "unique identifiers" which fall under "personal data" and therefor require explicit and clear "informed consent" from the "data subject" in order to collect and share with third parties.

      Plus, it's only one click and stays away unless you clear your cookies before visiting again. So what's the big deal?

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      1. [3]
        ThatFanficGuy
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        What you heard: "Don't ask users for consent when you want to set cookies on their browser". What I said: "Don't make a giant fucking banner that covers half the screen on lower-height devices"....

        What you heard: "Don't ask users for consent when you want to set cookies on their browser".

        What I said: "Don't make a giant fucking banner that covers half the screen on lower-height devices".

        So what's the big deal?

        "Don't be a dick".

        You can make a cookie consent form that doesn't punish users for ignoring it.

        If you, as a website/developer/company, want to set unique identifiers on my browser, and you need my consent for it, and you make the website partially inaccessible so that I would give it to you, that's not only lousy design: it's user-hostile design. I bear no appreciation and no respect for such practices.

        "HEY! HEEEEY!! You wanna read the website, huh? ACCEPT OUR COOKIES!!!"

        Yeah, no, fuck you, Polygon.

        Whatever you want to do about user's storage should not go against their ability to read your website. If setting cookies is that much more important to you than my having access to the things you wrote, I'd rather not read them. It's a radical position that shouldn't be so.

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          cfabbro
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          No, I got what you were saying. However part of the issue with the GDPR is that right now there is no case-law and no fines have been handed out yet to establish precedent and clarify the terms of...

          What you heard: "Don't ask users for consent when you want to set cookies on their browser".

          What I said: "Don't make a giant fucking banner that covers half the screen on lower-height devices".

          No, I got what you were saying. However part of the issue with the GDPR is that right now there is no case-law and no fines have been handed out yet to establish precedent and clarify the terms of it, so nobody really knows how "clear" and "explicit" asking for "informed consent" actually needs to be. Many sites are trying to get away with just a tiny, unobtrusive hovering footer, but that may not actually be "clear", "explicit" or "informative" enough and so they may come to regret doing that, especially if they are amongst the first to get hit with fines. Polygon just took a more conservative approach is all.

          And again, you just have to click one button to accept the terms and it goes away (or block the element with uBlock if you are so inclined)... so you're being incredibly melodramatic about all this IMO.

          1. ThatFanficGuy
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            I have a special folder, right next to where I store all the web projects, with screenshots of website that engage in shady, user-hostile tactics or are being otherwise obtuse about the...

            I have a special folder, right next to where I store all the web projects, with screenshots of website that engage in shady, user-hostile tactics or are being otherwise obtuse about the user-facing design. I look at the screenshots from time to time to remind myself how not to make websites (which is the name of the folder). I don't think I need to – mine are clean, if a little dull – but I do nevertheless, just to remind myself:

            Not everyone's going to give a shit about what you have to look at in search of content that appeals to you. Some would rather use your precious time and attention on shit you don't want, shit you don't need, and shit that harms you. Some chase figures with such vigor that they forget why they got into the field in the first place: to make something beautiful; some don't even know it yet. They will command how you behave, how you engage, and how you observe, in order to turn your time into some sort of profit that benefits no one.

            As long as people consider the terrible design practices the norm, you will continue to observe – and imbibe, and regurgitate, and turn into your own ideas – the ugly things, the vexatious things, and the wasteful things. We are a product of our environment: what we see, we continue to follow. I don't like that so many people dismiss the ugly design as flies to swat off, 'cause if you have that many flies in your house, something's rotten.

            And for some reason, it's a radical position to take.

      2. [2]
        Kraw
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        I think the big deal is about why a site like polygon needs to know specifically who is reading their articles.

        I think the big deal is about why a site like polygon needs to know specifically who is reading their articles.

        1. cfabbro
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          For the exact same reason any ad-revenue dependent site needs to... because without that information advertisers will not advertise on the site.

          For the exact same reason any ad-revenue dependent site needs to... because without that information advertisers will not advertise on the site.