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Harry Potter 20th Anniversary: Return to Hogwarts | First look teaser | HBO Max

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  1. [12]
    lou
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    I didn't enjoy the Friends cast reunion at all, TBH. Felt like a lazy self-congratulatory nostalgia cash grab. I'd be more interested on a good documentary made by a third-party. So I don't have...

    I didn't enjoy the Friends cast reunion at all, TBH. Felt like a lazy self-congratulatory nostalgia cash grab. I'd be more interested on a good documentary made by a third-party. So I don't have much hope for this special either.

    Incidentally, I saw the movie on theaters again recently. It generally holds up pretty well, but the CGI is understandably dated. The troll was bad CGI even then.

    Movie remasters should be more of a thing. Keep everything as is, but update the CGI.

    4 votes
    1. [11]
      babypuncher
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      Movie remasters are a bit of a thing, but the results are a mixed bag. Sometimes you get something special like Blade Runner: The Final Cut, but more often than not you get the Star Wars Special...

      Movie remasters are a bit of a thing, but the results are a mixed bag. Sometimes you get something special like Blade Runner: The Final Cut, but more often than not you get the Star Wars Special Editions, or that horrible E.T. The Extra Terrestrial remaster.

      I'm content with leaving movies the way they were. Dated visual effects are part of their history. I prefer it when remasters don't go any further than cleaning up composited scenes and keeping everything else intact. It's easy to do when re-assembling a film from the original negatives instead of cleaning up a final print.

      Ironically, the AT-AT sequence from Empire Strikes Back is very tastefully remastered. They cleaned up the layering and got rid of some unwanted transparencies. The end result looks much better than the original, but nobody would ever notice without looking at them side by side.

      8 votes
      1. [3]
        hamstergeddon
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        I think these (and the DVD and then BluRay updates) are why we don't see more of this. There was just such a negative response from the fanbase over them, which is a shame because personally I...

        Star Wars Special Editions

        I think these (and the DVD and then BluRay updates) are why we don't see more of this. There was just such a negative response from the fanbase over them, which is a shame because personally I enjoy the SE changes. I have fond memories of watching the half hour mini-doc before each movie on VHS where they explained the changes and what went into making them. They really did clean up a lot of the wonkiness that came with stop motion and bluescreen in the 80s. Some of the CGI from '97 doesn't hold up so well, but it did a good job of making SW universe feel more lived in and lively at the time.

        The song and dance routine in Jedi was weird though, and I prefer original "Yub Nub" song in Jedi as well (although the shots of celebrations on other planets is really cool). And of course Greedo shooting first (or at all) will never not annoy me.

        4 votes
        1. babypuncher
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          Cleaning up the bluescreen effects is fine. That is what I was referring to when I mentioned redoing composited shots, and is the primary change that makes the AT-AT sequence in Empire look so...

          Cleaning up the bluescreen effects is fine. That is what I was referring to when I mentioned redoing composited shots, and is the primary change that makes the AT-AT sequence in Empire look so much better

          The backlash was largely deserved regardless of the quality, because Lucasfilm made a point of removing the originals from circulation. There is no official way to watch the original movies anymore, apart from buying very old used copies on low quality formats.

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        2. bilbodwyer
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          It's a real shame, as well. Lord of the Rings turns 20 this year, and I would be so keen to see a remastered version where they've touched up the CGI. By and large the film's still look great two...

          I think these (and the DVD and then BluRay updates) are why we don't see more of this.

          It's a real shame, as well. Lord of the Rings turns 20 this year, and I would be so keen to see a remastered version where they've touched up the CGI. By and large the film's still look great two decades later, but there are the odd flashes here and there that could stand to be tweaked just a little to bring them up to modern standards.

          4 votes
      2. [2]
        JXM
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        I don't mind new versions of movies, as long as the original version is still available in a comparable format. You're right though that for every Blade Runer, Star Trek: The Original Series or...

        I don't mind new versions of movies, as long as the original version is still available in a comparable format. You're right though that for every Blade Runer, Star Trek: The Original Series or Once Upon a Time in America level remaster/redo/re-edit, there are a dozen others that are terrible.

        I find it more interesting when a director tries to craft a completely different version of a movie like Payback or, more recently, Stallone's recut of Rocky IV.

        I do agree that effects that don't hold up to modern standards are just part of the history of a movie. If a movie is good enough, it can overcome dated effects. Just look at something like the original King Kong. You can definitely see the seams during some of the shots, but everything else about the movie is so good that it doesn't matter.

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        1. bilbodwyer
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          I had no idea this existed! I must give it a watch, Rocky was such a huge part of my childhood, and I always felt IV was a bit naff.

          Stallone's recut of Rocky IV.

          I had no idea this existed! I must give it a watch, Rocky was such a huge part of my childhood, and I always felt IV was a bit naff.

          2 votes
      3. [5]
        lou
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        I should probably clarify that in my opinion only movies that used CGI in the first place should have their effects updated. If they were originally made with other "organic" technique such as...

        I should probably clarify that in my opinion only movies that used CGI in the first place should have their effects updated. If they were originally made with other "organic" technique such as puppetry or whatever, they should remain as is in my opinion.

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          babypuncher
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          I'm saying that I think the dated CGI is just as much a part of the aesthetic and history of these movies as the dated practical effects often employed before CGI.

          I'm saying that I think the dated CGI is just as much a part of the aesthetic and history of these movies as the dated practical effects often employed before CGI.

          3 votes
          1. [3]
            lou
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            I see that being true for some movies, but not all of them. Edit: subjectively, outdated CGI itself seldom evokes some kind of attachment or nostalgia in me. It generally feels way more...

            I see that being true for some movies, but not all of them.

            Edit: subjectively, outdated CGI itself seldom evokes some kind of attachment or nostalgia in me. It generally feels way more replaceable than other techniques.

            2 votes
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              Thra11
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              I think I would generally trust the directors when deciding whether a remaster is warranted. If they're enthusiastic about having another go at their masterpiece without some of the technological...

              I think I would generally trust the directors when deciding whether a remaster is warranted. If they're enthusiastic about having another go at their masterpiece without some of the technological limitations they faced the first time, I would be optimistic. However, if it's just a CG company contracted to fiddle with it in the hopes of marketing it to a new generation, it's unlikely to be worthwhile.

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              1. lou
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                That makes sense.

                That makes sense.

  2. JXM
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    Instead of some self-congratulatory documentary, everyone should go watch Wizard People, Dear Reader instead.

    Instead of some self-congratulatory documentary, everyone should go watch Wizard People, Dear Reader instead.

    2 votes