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    Bauke
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    As someone who posts quite a bit of music here, I'm saddened that your first decision with seeing too much of it is to deride the group entirely. Instead of engage a discussion about how it could...

    As someone who posts quite a bit of music here, I'm saddened that your first decision with seeing too much of it is to deride the group entirely. Instead of engage a discussion about how it could be improved.

    Tildes isn't just about quality discussion, it is also a link aggregator. And aggregate links we shall.

    9 votes
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      1. Bauke
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        And in the group description it says: It's almost as if these aren't hard and fast rules, and that some groups are more conducive to discussion than others.

        And in the group description it says:

        Music and related topics. Share songs and music videos, ask for recommendations, post articles, reviews, and more.

        It's almost as if these aren't hard and fast rules, and that some groups are more conducive to discussion than others.

        5 votes
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    Deimos
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    Subscribe to, or unsubscribe from, whatever you want. You can easily customize your own view of the site. But don't try to start drama about it. I'm in the middle of writing a ~tildes.official...

    Subscribe to, or unsubscribe from, whatever you want. You can easily customize your own view of the site. But don't try to start drama about it.

    I'm in the middle of writing a ~tildes.official post about how we can adjust the structure of the site to avoid worrying about posting "too much". It'll be posted soon, and we'll talk about this then.

    8 votes
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      cfabbro
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      This actually is a discussion worth having, IMO, since they are likely not the only person who is going to complain about this issue. This was unfortunately just a pretty shitty way to go about...

      This actually is a discussion worth having, IMO, since they are likely not the only person who is going to complain about this issue. This was unfortunately just a pretty shitty way to go about starting that discussion. :(

      p.s. Even so, it does bring to mind another conversation I had on a similar topic (tech support posts in ~tech) that I think brings up a good point about Tildes groups as they are currently functioning:

      https://tildes.net/~tildes/s0u/should_we_talk_about_voting_again#comment-5mze

      3 votes
      1. Deimos
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        Yeah, I may have edited it in after you already started your reply, but it's already a discussion I was planning to have soon today.

        Yeah, I may have edited it in after you already started your reply, but it's already a discussion I was planning to have soon today.

        2 votes
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          cfabbro
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          Volume of discussion a topic provokes is not a positive when the majority of it is arguments and/or focused on how shitty the framing of the issue was. :/ Quality > Quantity IMO.

          Volume of discussion a topic provokes is not a positive when the majority of it is arguments and/or focused on how shitty the framing of the issue was. :/

          Quality > Quantity IMO.

          5 votes
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            1. Amarok
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              If I post it, it's because I dig it, simple as that. The words I might choose to describe it don't change that. I'm not into writing a full on musical anthropology topic about every track - in...

              If I post it, it's because I dig it, simple as that. The words I might choose to describe it don't change that. I'm not into writing a full on musical anthropology topic about every track - in fact when I find those sorts of reviews out there all they make me do is roll my eyes. I'd do it (and have done it) for genre roundups or special albums but usually not just for a track.

              Comparing bands is something people do to sound clever, and if you need written permission from someone to like a track I don't think you're quite getting the music thing. But that's just my take on music reviews, I'd rather click play and listen than read. That's probably where our disconnect is. One person's treasure is another person's spam, after all. Best we can do is make it easier to find or avoid. Putting the tracks in their own group is the simple solution, for now. Where that goes down the road, time will tell.

              5 votes
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        Deimos
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        No, it got an argument going, because you wrote it as an antagonistic rant instead of trying to find a constructive way to improve the situation.

        No, it got an argument going, because you wrote it as an antagonistic rant instead of trying to find a constructive way to improve the situation.

        7 votes
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          1. cfabbro
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            It's not what you said, it's how you chose to say it. You calling out other users here, and calling the group a cesspit, was a pretty shitty way to start this topic since it virtually guaranteed...

            It's not what you said, it's how you chose to say it. You calling out other users here, and calling the group a cesspit, was a pretty shitty way to start this topic since it virtually guaranteed heated arguments rather than sensible discussion.

            5 votes
          2. Amarok
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            The aggregate content of the music subreddits dedicated to tracks was around 12,000 a day. There were over 800 subreddits dedicated to individual genres. Before it became a giant spam playground...

            The aggregate content of the music subreddits dedicated to tracks was around 12,000 a day. There were over 800 subreddits dedicated to individual genres. Before it became a giant spam playground targeted by labels, it was pretty rad.

            Tracks/singles should have their own group - the volume of content is astronomical, and most people haven't got the time or the energy to sift that much music for the gems even if they know what they like. I couldn't listen to 12k tracks in two months myself and I'm far more obsessive about this than most music nerds.

            I have a hunch that another group like ~music.albums might also be appropriate. That sort of community took the better part of a decade to form on reddit, it's premature but it makes sense as the home of the more album-oriented activities. Some people don't care to be bothered by singles, they want it in full album sized chunks with lots of discussion, see /r/letstalkmusic for example.

            2 votes
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    Amarok
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    Just proof we need ~music.streams, problem solved. Then I can really start posting. ;) The value in a ~music.streams is when it's turned into a playlist you can subscribe to on another service...

    Just proof we need ~music.streams, problem solved. Then I can really start posting. ;)

    The value in a ~music.streams is when it's turned into a playlist you can subscribe to on another service that just keeps updating with the tracks as they roll in. Saves messing up the front page, and the group itself turns into a living mixtape. The aggregate of it all is what belongs in ~music - bestofs, mixtape competitions, maybe a couple albums a day getting kicked over by exemplary mechanics if they hit a high bar, an album discussion club - more community-oriented activities. Then you can all unsub from ~music.streams and still get the content, just not one track at a time as the cratediggers like to do.

    7 votes
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      Icarus
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      But for real, some nights I want to listen to new music only and we have no way to sort out what is a music stream vs. something else. I do wish we had a way to differentiate song links from...

      But for real, some nights I want to listen to new music only and we have no way to sort out what is a music stream vs. something else. I do wish we had a way to differentiate song links from everything else.

      I appreciate everyone who posts a song they like, because recommendations from real people are almost always better than computer-generated recommendations. Especially when broadening your music taste.

      4 votes
      1. Amarok
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        Exactly that. My natural habit is to immediately post any good new track I come across.

        Exactly that. My natural habit is to immediately post any good new track I come across.

        2 votes
    2. petrichor
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      Wouldn't a potential issue with a ~music.streams be that it'd cater to the 3-4 "power users" on ~music, and drown out all other posters? It seems like that's much less of a problem with how ~music...

      Wouldn't a potential issue with a ~music.streams be that it'd cater to the 3-4 "power users" on ~music, and drown out all other posters? It seems like that's much less of a problem with how ~music stands now...

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    cfabbro
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    Can I call it or what? However with that said... this particular complaint coming from a user registered in 2018 who has only made 2 comments in all that time, and yet complaining about "barely...

    Can I call it or what?

    Between myself, yourself, all the other former /r/listentothis mods, and all the rateyourmusic community members on here, I have no doubt that if we were all to truly unleash our daily music links, all the people currently complaining about Tildes being too tech-centric would suddenly start complaining there was nothing but nonstop music being posted. ;)

    However with that said... this particular complaint coming from a user registered in 2018 who has only made 2 comments in all that time, and yet complaining about "barely any discussion" is rather ironic IMO. And accusing someone of turning a group into a "cesspit" for making an effort to try to improve things is also pretty fucking rude, and there would have been much better ways to get your point across and stir discussion about this issue without that remark.

    6 votes
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      1. cfabbro
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        Fair enough, but worth mentioning is that old discussions are not necessarily ever really dead on Tildes thanks to Activity sort. I do totally understand the desire/need to delete old comments...

        Fair enough, but worth mentioning is that old discussions are not necessarily ever really dead on Tildes thanks to Activity sort. I do totally understand the desire/need to delete old comments though, and that's one of the reasons I strongly support allowing users to disassociate comments from their usernames; So they can choose to do that instead of delete them, which will hopefully help prevent older discussions from ending up with so many annoying missing comments in them like they often do on reddit and other forums.

        My point about you being rather unnecessarily rude still stands though.

        6 votes
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        petrichor
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        Threads don't really "die" on Tildes, to my understanding.

        Threads don't really "die" on Tildes, to my understanding.

        4 votes
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          1. petrichor
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            Again, Tildes isn't designed to firmly cut off conversation after a certain time frame. For example, the What's something you have always wanted to know about being LGBT? discussion thread that...

            Again, Tildes isn't designed to firmly cut off conversation after a certain time frame. For example, the What's something you have always wanted to know about being LGBT? discussion thread that happened in February was recently bumped by @Kuromantis, and received a fair amount of traction by Tildes standards (there's some better examples floating around - I just saw this recently).

            I'm curious as to why you'd choose to participate in an asynchronous discussion forum like Tildes if you're going to wipe out all your contributions every couple of days.

            3 votes
      3. culturedleftfoot
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        That aside, are you prioritizing seeking a solution or venting your frustration? The philosophy behind Tildes is based on trust, and your approach seems unnecessarily hostile if you actually want...

        That aside, are you prioritizing seeking a solution or venting your frustration? The philosophy behind Tildes is based on trust, and your approach seems unnecessarily hostile if you actually want change, and ultimately inconsequential if you don't.

        3 votes
  5. no_exit
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    weirdly vitriolic post, who pissed in your cheerios this morning? I usually throw a couple sentences on the music I've posted in the past but they rarely start a discussion anyways, and sometimes...

    weirdly vitriolic post, who pissed in your cheerios this morning? I usually throw a couple sentences on the music I've posted in the past but they rarely start a discussion anyways, and sometimes a song is just good and you might not have much to say. go smoke a j and chill tf out.

    5 votes
  6. Eabryt
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    I think I agree with this. I mostly ignore them, but I definitely have found myself noticing and questioning why there's been so many random youtube links to songs posted recently.

    I think I agree with this.

    I mostly ignore them, but I definitely have found myself noticing and questioning why there's been so many random youtube links to songs posted recently.

    4 votes
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    Kuromantis
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    clarification Just to be clear, you're talking about @suspended, right?
    clarification

    Just to be clear, you're talking about @suspended, right?

    1 vote
    1. hungariantoast
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      Right now, @suspended has posted thirty-seven of the past one hundred topics, so maybe OP is specifically talking about that user, but I doubt it. This just seems like some random rant against the...

      Right now, @suspended has posted thirty-seven of the past one hundred topics, so maybe OP is specifically talking about that user, but I doubt it. This just seems like some random rant against the group in general.

      (Also, @suspended, I don't think there's anything wrong with how many links you've posted. You keep doing you)

      6 votes