23 votes

Lil Nas X — Montero (Call Me By Your Name) (2021)

13 comments

  1. [2]
    Nivlak
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    I love what this kid is doing. He is a social media savant and is making his haters look even worse.

    I love what this kid is doing. He is a social media savant and is making his haters look even worse.

    15 votes
    1. HoolaBoola
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      Exactly. He's so effective at trolling the haters, I've become a huge fan of his.

      Exactly. He's so effective at trolling the haters, I've become a huge fan of his.

      3 votes
  2. [6]
    Loire
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    I must be becoming boring in my old age. All these liberals calling WAP and now this "masterpieces" and "art" in reaction to the Ben Shapiro's of the world and all I hear and see is average at...

    I must be becoming boring in my old age. All these liberals calling WAP and now this "masterpieces" and "art" in reaction to the Ben Shapiro's of the world and all I hear and see is average at best Hip-Hop with vaguely interesting music videos.

    Are you folks just trolling the chuds? What the hell is going on here?

    I grew up with Christina Aguilera simulating a post apocalyptic orgy in an abandoned warehouse, how is this shit getting on the radar?

    11 votes
    1. [2]
      kfwyre
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      Yeah, this video is par for the course for pop. It's glossy; it's campy; it's vaguely offering social/artistic commentary; it's leaning into controversy as a signal booster. I say this not as a...

      Yeah, this video is par for the course for pop. It's glossy; it's campy; it's vaguely offering social/artistic commentary; it's leaning into controversy as a signal booster. I say this not as a dig (I love pop), but more that it's simply a very specific product. I think as you get older the formula tends to get weaker, but pop is perpetually the domain of the young, for whom the formula definitely works.

      Like you said, it's been going on for a long time. Christina was doing it, and before her it was Britney, and before her it was Madonna. I think what makes this a bit more noteworthy is that its rare that we get this sort of thing with a male pop artist. Indulgent and voyeuristic sexuality tends to be the domain of female pop artists, and the male artists who do engage with that tend to not have nearly the same level of reach.

      I also think there's something to be said for the idea that the charges of "masterpiece" you're seeing are less any actual reflection of the work and more the intensification of the internet. "This is alright" doesn't have viral power, but "this is a masterpiece" or "this sticks it to those people we don't like" does.

      16 votes
      1. elcuello
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        It's not so much the indulgent and voyeuristic sexuality as much as the homo erotic focus I think is a more important factor here. Specially among the black community I would guess.

        I think what makes this a bit more noteworthy is that its rare that we get this sort of thing with a male pop artist. Indulgent and voyeuristic sexuality tends to be the domain of female pop artists, and the male artists who do engage with that tend to not have nearly the same level of reach.

        It's not so much the indulgent and voyeuristic sexuality as much as the homo erotic focus I think is a more important factor here. Specially among the black community I would guess.

        1 vote
    2. HoolaBoola
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      I genuinely, truly love the song. Perhaps because it strikes a chord — as a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I've seen lots and lots of abuse, threats and religious fruitcakes saying we're going to...

      I genuinely, truly love the song. Perhaps because it strikes a chord — as a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I've seen lots and lots of abuse, threats and religious fruitcakes saying we're going to hell. Lil Nas X says "fuck it, let's go to hell then and have some fun".

      The video is definitely meant to provoke the conservatives, with the pole dance to hell and giving Satan a lap dance being "shocking". But to me, the supposedly shocking content is actually just funny details in a personally important story.

      EDIT: also forgot to add, there's a ton of hidden symbolism in the video, the most important possibly being the name itself - Lil Nas X's real name is Montero, and he's "welcoming" us, opening himself up and being himself.

      10 votes
    3. [2]
      mat
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      I can see why the video is upsetting a particularly uptight segment of America. That's good, I guess, although it is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. The video is sort of vaguely interesting...

      I can see why the video is upsetting a particularly uptight segment of America. That's good, I guess, although it is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. The video is sort of vaguely interesting if a little obviously set up to troll - but I wasn't expecting the track to be so... boring. It's not even "musically interesting but not to my taste" (for example, lots of Kanye's output), it just doesn't stand out in any way to me. I think calling it average is very generous. I didn't even make it to the end of the track before closing the tab, and it's only 3 minutes long!

      4 votes
      1. Octofox
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        I really like the song. It's not the best thing in the world but its nice. The cope/seethe it's causing is just the icing on the cake.

        I really like the song. It's not the best thing in the world but its nice. The cope/seethe it's causing is just the icing on the cake.

        1 vote
  3. [2]
    rylee
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    Wow, I’m not a huge pop fan but that video is spellbinding. Anyone know what the tree at 1:10 says? Looks like Greek.

    Wow, I’m not a huge pop fan but that video is spellbinding. Anyone know what the tree at 1:10 says? Looks like Greek.

    7 votes
  4. [2]
    HoolaBoola
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    I don't know why, but I've been obsessed over this song for the last few days - or rather, the video even more. It's caused somewhat of a controversy among US conservatives, and I can't help but...

    I don't know why, but I've been obsessed over this song for the last few days - or rather, the video even more.

    It's caused somewhat of a controversy among US conservatives, and I can't help but love every second of the song!

    5 votes
    1. acdw
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      Yeah, the boo-hooing by the right is really just icing. This song slaps!

      Yeah, the boo-hooing by the right is really just icing. This song slaps!

      6 votes
  5. Muffin
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    I was positively surprised! The beat uses very nontraditional elements for (mainstream) hip-hop and I think the lyrics are fun. The video really caught my interest. Lil Nas X and Teezo Touchdown...

    I was positively surprised! The beat uses very nontraditional elements for (mainstream) hip-hop and I think the lyrics are fun. The video really caught my interest.

    Lil Nas X and Teezo Touchdown are carving a very interesting new space for themselves in mainstream music. I respect it immensely!

    5 votes