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Megathread for news/updates/discussion of Russian invasion of Ukraine - March 11-13
This thread is posted Monday/Wednesday/Friday - please try to post relevant content in here, such as news, updates, opinion articles, etc. Especially significant updates may warrant a separate topic, but most should be posted here.
Day 16 of the war.
My average heart rate has returned to normal. My SO is traumatized and looking for therapists, but she is feeling okay. Her sister is sleeping in her bed; met her yesterday. I skated for the first time in weeks… was very difficult for me to go back there but I’m glad I did.
I've recently completed my first aid courses; next month I'm doing advanced first aid, as well as firearm training. Thirty years of being anti-gun; I don’t even recognise myself anymore.
Here are the usual links. I will edit this post over the weekend.
Russia
Beyond sanctions, a lot of companies have stopped operating in Russia. Too many to list. This is a helpful graphic of which large brands are still operating there (As of the time of this writing, a few more have pulled out, such as Mars).
Most of them didn't have to pull out. It's helpful to think about why they're doing it.
For many, it makes economic sense: Russia is becoming a net negative market, where it costs more to operate than you'd get back due to its crashing economy.
For some others, it's a way of reducing risk. Operating in Russia carries the risks you might lose your employees to a variety of war-related or autocratic hiccups, such as conscription, civil unrest, random jailing, etc.
Social pressure / fear of being cancelled is of course also part of the equation. But there is a large group that is stopping services in Russia because they genuinely want nothing to do with it, and feel that by staying in the market they're implicitly supporting the war, especially as everybody else is pulling out.
Some major headlines of the 48 hours:
Ukraine
I'm sure you've all heard of the children's hospital and maternity ward that has been bombed in Mariupol. ICYMI:
Canada is sending 50MM USD of military aid (offense and defense)
IMF approved 1.4bn USD aid to Ukraine
Ukrainians successfully defusing a bomb with their bare hands. This video blew me away. Pun not originally intended.
An excellent article about the resilience of Ukrainian internet (Obligatory XKCD)
Google is rolling out an air raid alert system for Android
Russians have struck Belarus from Ukrainian airspace, allegedly to provoke Belarus further into the war
The WSJ writes about Kharkiv. Long article with photos. https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-the-rubble-of-ukraines-second-largest-city-survivors-make-their-stand-nobody-wants-the-russians-11647013623
Russia brings 11 engineers to Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.
Russia is preparing an assault on Kyiv: https://kyivindependent.com/national/russia-concentrates-military-power-for-kyiv-assault/
Russians are trying to organize a sham separatist ‘referendum’ in Kherson (currently under Russian control), mimicking what they did in eastern Ukraine and Crimea in 2014
World news
Putin is worried about his death and goes to a fortune teller. He asks: “What can you tell me about my death?”
The fortune teller responds: “I see it clearly. You die on a Ukrainian holiday.”
“How could you possibly know that?”
“Any day you die will be a Ukrainian holiday”.
I just wanted to express my appreciation for the roundup you provide so regularly. It helps me contextualize what's going on, and also helps me not spend hours digging through the news of the day myself. I know it's not easy, but I really appreciate it.
❤️ Thank you. Really appreciated.
I'm still updating the post with more links but wanted to highlight this one I forgot to post -- https://twitter.com/denysdovhan/status/1501486563842211843
This is a 2h discussion on Twitter Spaces from March 9th, with many testimonies from Ukrainian OSS developers on their reactions, as well as what we can/should do (especially in relation to the OSS community).
One source I found for that: CTV News article (March 9)
Was just coming here to post that: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/11/7330425/
I don't think this matters much in the short term (does Putin care about demographics?), but a bit of perspective:
Why Russia can’t afford to spare its young soldiers anymore
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In Ukraine, tech platforms abandon the illusion of neutrality (Washington Post)
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https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318
Internet has opinions. News at 11.
Putin’s pre-war moves against U.S. tech giants laid groundwork for crackdown on free expression (Washington Post)
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The White House is briefing TikTok stars about the war in Ukraine
Another breakdown of how no-fly-zones get real complicated real quick - I think the Russians might not do us the favor of keeping this on the limited scale as the iraqis did. Part of me really wants to quicksave and see how this would play out though. If NATO started enforcing a no-fly-zone in Ukraine, sure the Russians would shoot back over Ukraine. But would they actually attack us over NATO territory? With all his military tied down in Ukraine, I can't imagine Putin wants to get Article 5'd.
Anyway, before we do something silly, consider that we'd have to pretty much eliminate Russian air defenses in Ukraine. Here's an illustration of how that might look. It's probably not totally accurate, but the gist should be about right, assuming Russia brings long-range SAMs in position in/around Ukraine... which I don't doubt.
I’m pretty sure if “NATO” tried to enforce a no fly zone it would immediately escalate into armed conflict between Russia and NATO, which evidently would not go very well for Russia in conventional warfare but probably not going very well for the planet given circumstances.
May as well ask the US to enact a no soldier zone over the Ukraine.
Yeah, agreed. But I can also imagine that that conflict would be contained to Ukraine: NATO would only have a mandate for attacking aircraft over Ukraine, and Russia would escalate that to all-out war with their pants down if they violated NATO territory. I could imagine that actually staying stable like that, so long as NATO respects Russian territory.
That said, the potential for escalation is very much there, and the mushroom cloud sky's the limit, so I'd only ever want to consider that as a hypothetical.
I don't think so. The moment a NATO aligned military force shoots down Russian air forces in neutral territory is 100% an act of war (and yes, invading a neutral country is an act of war against said neutral country, this is about where Russia draws the line with a greater confrontation with the rest of the world), and Russia would definitely draw the line there, wherever that path may lead them.
At best we'd immediately get Cuban Missile Crisis but much worse, at worst it'd descend pretty quickly into seeing who's nukes has the least rust.
AFAIK the professional version of that simulator is used by a lot of three letter agencies and researchers so I'd say it's probably reasonably accurate although the public version is using publicly available information to model things like radar cross-sections so keep that in mind.
If the Russian S-400 can truly hit out to 400km I'm struggling to see why they're not able to keep the Ukrainian air force on the ground. American intelligence says Ukraine still has ~80% of its air force intact. An S-400 near Gomel, Belarus would be able to punch out to much of Western Ukraine and certainly blanket Kyiv with the help of AWACS which I'm sure Russia has in the air?
That kinda confuses me too. Seems to me the 400km is a propaganda number.
But also, for all I can tell, Ukraine is using its air force incredibly conservatively. Think Fleet-In-Being doctrine, basically. At the same time, their own air defenses are apparently solid enough to keep their own air bases intact enough, for the most part.
So I looked into this a little bit, it turns out most of the missiles the S-400 has at its disposal have ranges of <200km. There are S-400 batteries in Belarus. So perhaps they are keeping the longer range missiles in reserve to deal with NATO if needed?
Life Underground in Bomb-Shattered Kharkiv
The other day I was wondering about NATO Electronic Warfare capabilities in the air near Ukraine. - I might have found an explanation of how the ground-observation parts of that (GlobalHawk, E-8) work. Though of course that doesn't give us a good estimate of range capabilities of this system. 250km is the number the Air Force gives for the E-8. That'd be only halfway from Poland to Kyiv, in a region with very little action. Who knows what the actual real-world number is.
Despite risks and official warnings, U.S. veterans join Ukrainian war effort
Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference
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Somewhat related: Ukraine captured one of Russia’s newest electronic warfare platforms. If they can get it out of the country I’m sure there are some engineers very excited to tear this down.
These are the Cluster Munitions Documented by Ukrainian Civilians (Bellingcat)
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A drone crashed in croatia. Presumed to have come there from Ukraine. Quoted speed info does not match the Ukrainian-employed Bayraktar drone. Like, at all. Since the distance is substantial and the drone must be quite large, I think it's safe to say it's not one of the countless civilian drones pressed into Ukrainian service recently. So presumably Russian, or a TU-141? I can't find much info on what kind of drones Russia operates, so hard to say which type, if it's theirs.
Anyone taking bets on whether NATO electronic warfare led that ship astray? Or just more incompetence?
(Also, would that be an act of war? Remote-abducting an UAV that is? The Iranians did it once, and their nation is still intact.)
Edit: Bit more reading and it seems that experts on the ground think it's a TU-141, but with soviet/russian markings? Color me confused.
Reportedly it flew over Romania and Hungary before entering Croatia and nobody did anything (either warning or intercept attempt). This poses a question how well the sky over eastern NATO members is actually watched.
Unsubstantiated rumors say Hungarians saw it but could not be bothered to inform Croatia. If true, that's even worse.
There's talk about a second one being spotted in eastern Hungary but is still unaccounted for.
A top Wikipedia editor has been arrested in Belarus
Does anyone know of ways it’s still possible to send money to people in Russia? My grandma is 86 and lives in Moscow, I’d like to make sure she can still afford to buy groceries, and my Russian language teacher can no longer receive payments through the platform we use.
Is wise helpful?
https://wise.com/help/articles/2932351/guide-to-rub-transfers
I suspect your best long term bet is to get your Russian acquaintances to have foreign accounts.
Crypto currencies?
Civilians got through most humanitarian corridors, Ukrainian deputy prime minister says