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Megathread for news/updates/discussion of Russian invasion of Ukraine - March 16-17

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  1. [7]
    Adys
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    We are entering the fourth week of the war. This will just be a quick link dump as I’m going through some personal things which are eating all of my time. I’ll edit in if there’s anything else...

    We are entering the fourth week of the war.

    This will just be a quick link dump as I’m going through some personal things which are eating all of my time. I’ll edit in if there’s anything else important I see popping up.

    Prime ministers of Poland, Czechia and Slovakia meeting in Kyiv: https://www.gov.pl/web/primeminister/prime-ministers-visit-to-kyiv

    Russian troops opened fire on people standing in line for bread:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1504058145701781505

    Further signaling of the Z symbol via latinisation of the Russian з letter: https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1503941344519147521

    Lots of discussion on Ovsyannikova: https://mobile.twitter.com/SophiaFreuden/status/1503540543967608832

    UK intel on Russian troops and movements: https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenseBaron/status/1503871848341196802

    Italian kids welcoming Ukrainian refugees in school: https://mobile.twitter.com/benphillips76/status/1503311358699442178

    Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in The Hague Karim Khan arrived in Ukraine:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1504093699642429445

    Article: NATO discusses new security reality for Europe. NATO officials meeting in Brussels (including Biden): https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/210915/nato-discusses-new-security-reality-in-europe

    Statement from Navalny: https://mobile.twitter.com/navalny/status/1503800859863531529 - full article: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/16/this-will-lead-to-our-country-s-collapse

    11 votes
    1. [6]
      Adys
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      Explosions in various locations in Belarus. Sudden great increase in air activity. Suspecting explosions to be aircraft sonic booms. https://mobile.twitter.com/PavelLatushka/status/1504200509481173006

      Explosions in various locations in Belarus. Sudden great increase in air activity. Suspecting explosions to be aircraft sonic booms.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/PavelLatushka/status/1504200509481173006

      2 votes
      1. [5]
        Adys
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        Belarus has started mass conscripting soldiers. It looks like Belarus is about to join the war.

        Belarus has started mass conscripting soldiers. It looks like Belarus is about to join the war.

        3 votes
        1. [4]
          teaearlgraycold
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          Will Belarusian conscripts be a net positive to the Russian forces? What do they think about the war?

          Will Belarusian conscripts be a net positive to the Russian forces? What do they think about the war?

          1 vote
          1. [3]
            Adys
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            It's a pretty desperate move, yes. Net positive, probably, but I somewhat doubt it'll make much of a difference. The problem is beyond that. Belarus is already being sanctioned quite harshly but...

            It's a pretty desperate move, yes. Net positive, probably, but I somewhat doubt it'll make much of a difference.

            The problem is beyond that. Belarus is already being sanctioned quite harshly but if they officially join the war, even as the puppet state they are, that's another country bringing its own affiliations into this geopolitical mess. It's one step closer to a world war.

            5 votes
            1. [2]
              cmccabe
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              I have not seen analysis of this, but as "WWIII" makes headlines I have wondered how many countries beyond Belarus could be dragged into the war on Russia's side. I doubt India or China would...

              I have not seen analysis of this, but as "WWIII" makes headlines I have wondered how many countries beyond Belarus could be dragged into the war on Russia's side. I doubt India or China would join, but maybe Iran?

              4 votes
              1. post_below
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                North Korea maybe, I don't think anyone else is irrational enough to tank their economy alongside their opponents with little to gain.

                North Korea maybe, I don't think anyone else is irrational enough to tank their economy alongside their opponents with little to gain.

                2 votes
  2. streblo
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    Putin lashes out at the Russian 'fifth column’, calling them "scum and traitors." It's a naked call for violence against anti-war and anti-Putin activists in Russia. The video is here.

    Putin lashes out at the Russian 'fifth column’, calling them "scum and traitors."

    I am convinced such a natural and necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to respond to any challenges.

    It's a naked call for violence against anti-war and anti-Putin activists in Russia. The video is here.

    9 votes
  3. [3]
    cfabbro
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    Exclusive: Secret CIA training program in Ukraine helped Kyiv prepare for Russian invasion

    Exclusive: Secret CIA training program in Ukraine helped Kyiv prepare for Russian invasion

    At least some of the fierce resistance by Ukrainian forces has its roots in a now shuttered covert CIA training program run from Ukraine’s eastern frontlines, former intelligence officials tell Yahoo News. The initiative was described to Yahoo News by over half a dozen former officials, all of whom requested anonymity to speak freely about sensitive intelligence matters.

    As part of the Ukraine-based training program, CIA paramilitaries taught their Ukrainian counterparts sniper techniques; how to operate U.S.-supplied Javelin anti-tank missiles and other equipment; how to evade digital tracking the Russians used to pinpoint the location of Ukrainian troops, which had left them vulnerable to attacks by artillery; how to use covert communications tools; and how to remain undetected in the war zone while also drawing out Russian and insurgent forces from their positions, among other skills, according to former officials.

    8 votes
    1. [2]
      Autoxidation
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      I feel like this isn't really news? The military has been deploying small training units to Ukraine since 2014, focusing on tactics and equipment familiarity training.

      I feel like this isn't really news? The military has been deploying small training units to Ukraine since 2014, focusing on tactics and equipment familiarity training.

      1. skybrian
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        That's regular army training, which was overt and took place far from the front. This article is about (formerly) secret CIA training, where they were directly advising the Ukrainians fighting...

        That's regular army training, which was overt and took place far from the front. This article is about (formerly) secret CIA training, where they were directly advising the Ukrainians fighting Russians.

        3 votes
  4. [6]
    streblo
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    Zelensky addresses the U.S. congress
    6 votes
    1. [4]
      tomf
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      Interesting that this has been marked 'The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.'

      Interesting that this has been marked 'The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.'

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        streblo
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        There is a graphic video of some of the destruction embedded in the video, although I believe there are content warnings in the video itself as well.

        There is a graphic video of some of the destruction embedded in the video, although I believe there are content warnings in the video itself as well.

        2 votes
        1. tomf
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          yeah, that makes sense. They should give a more specific warning for gore, though.

          yeah, that makes sense. They should give a more specific warning for gore, though.

          1 vote
  5. [7]
    cfabbro
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    A Ukrainian Town Deals Russia One of the War’s Most Decisive Routs It's a long read with lots more details, and photos (none very graphic), but the above serves as a decent summary.

    A Ukrainian Town Deals Russia One of the War’s Most Decisive Routs

    A rapid Russian advance into the strategic southern town of 35,000 people, a gateway to a Ukrainian nuclear power station and pathway to attack Odessa from the back, would have showcased the Russian military’s abilities and severed Ukraine’s key communications lines.

    Instead, the two-day battle of Voznesensk, details of which are only now emerging, turned decisively against the Russians. Judging from the destroyed and abandoned armor, Ukrainian forces, which comprised local volunteers and the professional military, eliminated most of a Russian battalion tactical group on March 2 and 3.

    Russian survivors of the Voznesensk battle left behind nearly 30 of their 43 vehicles—tanks, armored personnel carriers, multiple-rocket launchers, trucks—as well as a downed Mi-24 attack helicopter, according to Ukrainian officials in the city. The helicopter’s remnants and some pieces of burned-out Russian armor were still scattered around Voznesensk on Tuesday.

    Russian forces retreated more than 40 miles to the southeast, where other Ukrainian units have continued pounding them. Some dispersed in nearby forests, where local officials said 10 soldiers have been captured.

    Ukrainian officers estimated that some 100 Russian troops died in Voznesensk, including those whose bodies were taken by retreating Russian troops or burned inside carbonized vehicles. As of Tuesday, 11 dead Russian soldiers were in the railway car turned morgue, with search parties looking for other bodies in nearby forests. Villagers buried some others.

    “Sometimes, I wish I could put these bodies on a plane and drop them all onto Moscow, so they realize what is happening here,” said Mr. Sokurenko, the funeral director, as he put Tuesday’s fifth Russian cadaver on blue-plastic sheeting inside his van marked “Cargo 200”—Soviet military slang for killed in action. A Ukrainian military explosives specialist accompanied him, because some bodies had been booby trapped.

    It's a long read with lots more details, and photos (none very graphic), but the above serves as a decent summary.

    6 votes
    1. [6]
      vektor
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      That town would enable Russia to bypass Mykolajiw on the way to Odessa. Given that both are being defended effectively, I don't see Odessa happening anytime soon. The landing ships are either a...

      That town would enable Russia to bypass Mykolajiw on the way to Odessa. Given that both are being defended effectively, I don't see Odessa happening anytime soon. The landing ships are either a desperate attempt by a General to save himself from Putin's wrath (unlikely imo) or are a ruse to tie down Ukrainian troops in Odessa "just in case they are mad enough".

      1 vote
      1. [5]
        cfabbro
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        Unlikely? Even considering how many other offensive actions the Russians have blindly sent their troops into during this war without bothering to provide them proper support? I don't know. At this...

        Unlikely? Even considering how many other offensive actions the Russians have blindly sent their troops into during this war without bothering to provide them proper support? I don't know. At this point, given that, and their increasing desperation to achieve Putin's objectives, I give it a 50/50 despite how mad such an attempt would be.

        And also worth noting is that Japan recently spotted 4 more Russian amphibious landing craft loaded with equipment heading West through the Tsuruga Strait. So Russia may actually be trying to prepare for a large scale landing at some point. Although for that to happen the ships would have to get through the Suez canal, and Turkey would also have to let the vessels through the Bosporus, which thankfully seems unlikely given their recent denials to other Russian warships not registered as being berthed in the Black Sea. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        4 votes
        1. [4]
          vektor
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          Well, I'd say sending a BTG of 800 man into a fight with insufficient recon and air support, when they can always retreat the way they came and can be supplied the way they came is one thing,...

          Well, I'd say sending a BTG of 800 man into a fight with insufficient recon and air support, when they can always retreat the way they came and can be supplied the way they came is one thing, sending 5000 marines into certain death/captivity with no way out, no resupply and no reinforcement is another thing entirely. Any previous Russian blunder, I could at least understand how you could make it. This one... not so much. If Mykolajiw was easier to take from the west, I could see a way, but that city is built like a fortress from any direction.

          No, I don't think their generals will be that stupid. Not until the situation on land changes. Any general who is compelled to do this will know they'll only dig their grave deeper. I'm not saying "never", because the Russians have been one hell of a wildcard so far, but certainly not 50/50. 80/20, I'd say.

          2 votes
          1. [3]
            skybrian
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            Maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm wondering about the "no way out" thing. They couldn't board a ship like the way they came in?

            Maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm wondering about the "no way out" thing. They couldn't board a ship like the way they came in?

            2 votes
            1. [2]
              vektor
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              You're free to try, but most of the doctrine and equipment around amphibious assault is tailored to, well, assault. Contested naval evacuations are much harder; before the assault you can maintain...

              You're free to try, but most of the doctrine and equipment around amphibious assault is tailored to, well, assault. Contested naval evacuations are much harder; before the assault you can maintain ambiguity about the actual location; you don't get that luxury during evacuation. Once you have a bridge head, because the enemy now knows where you are, you either have to move fast to secure the beachhead from enemy fire support, or you have to tolerate that the closest thing you have to a logistical base is getting attacked. Retreating out of such a situation, with enemy forces pushing, is going to be as costly as the landing itself, if not worse, I think.

              Like, in principle it's possible, but it's about the most vulnerable situation I can imagine. In practical terms, amphibious assaults are rare, amphibious retreats are super rare. The only ones I can think of are Dunkirk and Saigon. Both were shit shows. If those are anything to go by, certainly the equipment you commit will be lost, quite possibly to be captured. Kabul last year also was a shit show, and it wasn't even really contested; the Taliban knew that if they were to attack US forces, this would not be pretty.

              5 votes
              1. cfabbro
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                Don't forget about Dieppe, which involved both a failed amphibious assault and costly amphibious retreat, where over 900 Allied soldiers died, 2500 were wounded, and 2000 got left behind to be...

                amphibious retreats are super rare. The only ones I can think of are Dunkirk and Saigon. Both were shit shows.

                Don't forget about Dieppe, which involved both a failed amphibious assault and costly amphibious retreat, where over 900 Allied soldiers died, 2500 were wounded, and 2000 got left behind to be taken as POWs. It's rather infamous here in Canada since it was a total clusterfuck, and the landing force was comprised mostly of Canadians. At least the lessons learned from its failure supposedly helped the Allies succeed on D-Day though.

                3 votes
  6. cfabbro
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    Statement by Commissioner for Energy Kadri Simson on Synchronisation of the Continental European Electricity Grid with Ukraine and Moldova

    Statement by Commissioner for Energy Kadri Simson on Synchronisation of the Continental European Electricity Grid with Ukraine and Moldova

    Today, the electricity grids of Ukraine and Moldova have been successfully synchronised with the Continental European Grid. This will help Ukraine to keep their electricity system stable, homes warm and lights on during these dark times. It is also a historic milestone for the EU-Ukraine relationship – in this area, Ukraine is now part of Europe.

    This project has shown extraordinary cooperation and determination from everyone involved. I want to thank the European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity (ENTSO E) for doing a year's work in two weeks to make this happen. I want to thank the French Presidency of the Council and Member States for their support to this project that is not without risks. And I want to thank our Ukrainian partners – Minister Galushchenko and Ukrenergo in particular – for their heroic efforts in keeping the Ukrainian energy systems working in the middle of a terrible war.

    The EU will continue to support Ukraine in the energy sector, by ensuring the reverse flows of gas to the country and the delivery of energy supplies that are badly needed. We are also looking forward to the time when we can continue our excellent cooperation on the green transition and market reforms.

    6 votes
  7. NoblePath
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    Forgive me if this is old news, but I find it disturbing: Apparantly Russian family members of some Ukrainians don't believe there is a war. (Forgive the source, People, the NYT article was...

    Forgive me if this is old news, but I find it disturbing:

    Apparantly Russian family members of some Ukrainians don't believe there is a war. (Forgive the source, People, the NYT article was paywalled, but the facts seem to be the same).

    I don't know why I find this especially disturbing or surprising, as we see much the same circumstance in the US over so many issues these days. I guess that, one, I thought that Russians were more savvy about propaganda than the US (and maybe they are, neither article gives any indication about how widespread this is), and two, given this a 20th century ground war with tanks and columns and what not it would be so much harder to deny the truth of it.

    6 votes
  8. cfabbro
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    From @christogrozev (of Bellingcat)

    From @christogrozev (of Bellingcat)

    Three independent sources report that the deputy chief of Russia's Rosgvardia (a unit of RU's interior army which has had tremendous losses in Ukraine), Gen. Roman Gavrilov has been detained by FSB. Gavrilov had also previously worked in FSO, Putin's security service.

    The reason for the detention is unclear: per one source he was detained by FSB's military counter-intelligence department over "leaks of military info that led to loss of life", while two others say it was "wasteful squandering of fuel", ahem.

    While it's hard to guess what exactly the purge/reshuffling at the top of the siloviks will result in, one thing is clear: it's doubtless that Putin recognizes the deep s**t this operation is in. I.e. it's so bad that he changes horses in midstream - a big no-no during war.

    6 votes
  9. skybrian
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    Russia didn’t default on its debt. Here is Matt Levine’s commentary: […] […]

    Russia didn’t default on its debt. Here is Matt Levine’s commentary:

    At some point yesterday some compliance person at JPMorgan Chase & Co. got a question from an operations person. “Hey,” said the operations person. “You know the account that we hold for the Russian government? The one that is subject to harsh sanctions in the U.S. and much of the rest of the world? They just asked us to make a $117 million payment out of that account. What should we do? By the way this is an interest payment on Russia’s dollar-denominated sovereign debt, and if we hold up the money Russia will have defaulted on its foreign debt for the first time since 1918. Let me know!”

    And the compliance person sat down to read the text of the sanctions and conferred with some in-house lawyers hahahaha no I’m kidding obviously a very senior person at JPMorgan called a very senior person at the U.S. Treasury and said “can we pay this?” and Treasury said “yes” and so JPMorgan did. (Also probably this discussion happened well before yesterday’s payment request, which has been scheduled for some time.) The big banks are in many ways quasi-regulatory bodies, extensions of the U.S. government, particularly when it comes to sanctions. JPMorgan did not sit down and make an independent business decision, or a legal decision, about whether to pass along Russia’s interest payment. Treasury gets to decide that sort of thing.

    The point is that Treasury said yes.

    […]

    It would actually be a bit strange if U.S. sanctions did prevent Russia from making payments in dollars to foreign bondholders? […] The goal is to prevent Russia from using its dollars to buy stuff, in order to put economic pressure on Russia. If Russia makes interest payments, on the other hand:

    • It will have fewer dollars, and
    • It won’t get any new stuff.

    This is just a transfer of cash from Russia to (American, European, etc.) bondholders. Seems like something the U.S. would want to encourage.

    […]

    On the other hand I am not entirely sure why Russia made the payment; Russia has imposed capital controls to preserve dollars, and earlier this month Vladimir Putin signed a decree saying that “Russia and Russian companies will be allowed to pay foreign creditors in rubles on securities including those denominated in other currencies.” Given its limited stock of dollars and its antagonism to Western investors, and the fact that it is shut out of capital markets anyway, it is not at all clear why it would want to pay those dollars to those investors. But apparently it does, and the U.S. will let it.

    6 votes
  10. [5]
    streblo
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    Proposed neutrality plan apparently nearing agreement. Summary:

    Proposed neutrality plan apparently nearing agreement.

    Ukraine and Russia have made significant progress on a tentative 15-point peace plan including a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal if Kyiv declares neutrality and accepts limits on its armed forces, according to three people involved in the talks.

    Summary:

    – Russia ceases fire and withdraws
    – Ukrainian "neutrality" without Nato
    – Kyiv keeps its army but can't host foreign bases
    – Russian gets legal status in Ukraine

    5 votes
    1. [3]
      vektor
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      That sounds an awful lot like the white peace I previously prophesied. None of Putin's strategic goals actually get fulfilled, but he gets something he can point at and tell his people "See?...

      That sounds an awful lot like the white peace I previously prophesied. None of Putin's strategic goals actually get fulfilled, but he gets something he can point at and tell his people "See? Totally worth it."

      I can't read the link, so I'm unsure about what happens to Luhanks, Donetsk and Crimea.

      This of course leaves the door open for another invasion somewhere down the line. Ukraine is going to be substantially weakened economically, so its high level of arms spending is going to become unsustainable real quick. I hope, if this comes to pass, that NATO and the EU will go as close to the peace agreement as possible: Military aid, Marshall plan, security guarantees, EU membership; anything that doesn't give Russia a direct reason to attack again.

      5 votes
      1. MimicSquid
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        Yeah. Given that there was already an agreement surrounding the de-nuclearization of Ukraine that included security guarantees by Russia, it seems iffy to believe that Russia wouldn't violate this...

        Yeah. Given that there was already an agreement surrounding the de-nuclearization of Ukraine that included security guarantees by Russia, it seems iffy to believe that Russia wouldn't violate this new round of guarantees.

        6 votes
      2. streblo
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        Sounds like they will revert to pre-invasion borders, but no declaration from Ukraine of Russian sovereignty/independence over these areas. If this goes through concessions Russia is getting here...

        I'm unsure about what happens to Luhanks, Donetsk and Crimea.

        Sounds like they will revert to pre-invasion borders, but no declaration from Ukraine of Russian sovereignty/independence over these areas. If this goes through concessions Russia is getting here are extremely small.

        This of course leaves the door open for another invasion somewhere down the line. Ukraine is going to be substantially weakened economically, so its high level of arms spending is going to become unsustainable real quick. I hope, if this comes to pass, that NATO and the EU will go as close to the peace agreement as possible: Military aid, Marshall plan, security guarantees, EU membership; anything that doesn't give Russia a direct reason to attack again.

        Agreed. Sanctions should have some sort of end goal clearly communicated, but a ceasefire isn't it. Perhaps tied to the creation of a DMZ or Russian acceptance of Ukraine EU membership or bilateral defense agreements.

        1 vote
    2. blender_cuttingham
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      If a ceases fire happens I guess Russia will revert back to psycho ops but they may have a hard time convincing Ukrainians to elect pro-Russian politicians in the future. I would not rule out...

      If a ceases fire happens I guess Russia will revert back to psycho ops but they may have a hard time convincing Ukrainians to elect pro-Russian politicians in the future. I would not rule out another assault later on either.

      2 votes
  11. [2]
    cmccabe
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    Deepfakes enter the information war: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1087062648/deepfake-video-zelenskyy-experts-war-manipulation-ukraine-russia
    5 votes
    1. 0d_billie
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      ugh, this is terrifying. the video itself isn't even that convincing, but they won't remain that way for long.

      ugh, this is terrifying. the video itself isn't even that convincing, but they won't remain that way for long.

      4 votes
  12. [5]
    streblo
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    New $800M aid package for Ukraine details 800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems; 2,000 Javelin, 1,000 light anti-armor weapons, and 6,000 AT-4 anti-armor systems; 100 Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;...

    New $800M aid package for Ukraine details

    The new $800 million assistance package includes:

    • 800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
    • 2,000 Javelin, 1,000 light anti-armor weapons, and 6,000 AT-4 anti-armor systems;
    • 100 Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
    • 100 grenade launchers, 5,000 rifles, 1,000 pistols, 400 machine guns, and 400 shotguns;
    • Over 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition and grenade launcher and mortar rounds;
    • 25,000 sets of body armor; and
    • 25,000 helmets.

    In addition to the weapons listed above, previous United States assistance committed to Ukraine includes:

    • Over 600 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
    • Approximately 2,600 Javelin anti-armor systems;
    • Five Mi-17 helicopters;
    • Three patrol boats;
    • Four counter-artillery and counter-unmanned aerial system tracking radars;
    • Four counter-mortar radar systems;
    • 200 grenade launchers and ammunition;
    • 200 shotguns and 200 machine guns;
    • Nearly 40 million rounds of small arms ammunition and over 1 million grenade, mortar, and artillery rounds;
    • 70 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs) and other vehicles;
    • Secure communications, electronic warfare detection systems, body armor, helmets, and other tactical gear;
    • Military medical equipment to support treatment and combat evacuation;
    • Explosive ordnance disposal and demining equipment; and
    • Satellite imagery and analysis capability.

    In addition to the U.S.-produced short-range air defense systems the Ukrainians have been using to great effect, the United States has also identified and is helping the Ukrainians acquire additional, longer-range systems on which Ukraine’s forces are already trained, as well as additional munitions for those systems.

    4 votes
    1. Adys
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      https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1504230358979600384 Video from President Biden. Hats off to the USA on this one. 1bn in aid in just a week. Extremely useful aid at that.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1504230358979600384 Video from President Biden.

      Hats off to the USA on this one. 1bn in aid in just a week. Extremely useful aid at that.

      3 votes
    2. streblo
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      Drones confirmed to be the loitering munition Switchblade drones.

      100 Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;

      Drones confirmed to be the loitering munition Switchblade drones.

      2 votes
    3. [2]
      Nivlak
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      This seems like a golden opportunity for weapons smugglers/traffickers.

      This seems like a golden opportunity for weapons smugglers/traffickers.

      2 votes
      1. vektor
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        Why do you mean? Because it's a warzone where military equipment will inevitably end up abandoned or unattended, or do you have further reasons? As in, does your concern lie before the equipment...

        Why do you mean? Because it's a warzone where military equipment will inevitably end up abandoned or unattended, or do you have further reasons? As in, does your concern lie before the equipment is in Ukraine's hands, during, or after?

        The one item on that list that I'd be by far the most worried about getting in the wrong hands (but it's likely also being treated appropriately by Ukraine) are Stinger missiles.

        4 votes
  13. [2]
    streblo
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    A good article from five days ago by a Russian journalist in the Mykolaiv area. Touches on a lot of things, but includes a bunch of testimonials from Ukrainian civilians and their struggle to...

    A good article from five days ago by a Russian journalist in the Mykolaiv area. Touches on a lot of things, but includes a bunch of testimonials from Ukrainian civilians and their struggle to live. Warning: while there are no graphic images, some of the textual depictions are quite graphic.

    4 votes
    1. monarda
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      Thank you for this.

      Warning: while there are no graphic images, some of the textual depictions are quite graphic.

      Thank you for this.

      3 votes
  14. cfabbro
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    A Private Company Has Evacuated 6,500 People From Ukraine

    A Private Company Has Evacuated 6,500 People From Ukraine

    Global Guardian, a private security firm, has evacuated more than 6,500 people from Ukraine over the past month, according to Dale Buckner, a former Green Beret who owns the firm. Buckner said Global Guardian completed 12 missions on Sunday and another nine on Monday. He said evacuations may be hitting their peak as the Russian invasion of Ukraine extends to its third week.

    “You could literally sense the corporate headquarters went from thinking, ‘We won’t have to address our local national employee base’…to, ‘Oh God, this is real and the Russians are coming’,” he said. “People that thought they were going to stay in places like Kyiv, Dnipro, Poltava, and Odessa are now realizing they don’t have a choice. They need to get out of the way because the reality has hit that they’re going to get cut off.”

    “There are lots of people left who never thought they would have to leave,” he said. “Now we’re just focusing on local national employees of Western corporations that, frankly, I don't think were prepared to move, and others who decided, ‘Nope, I’m not leaving,’ have now realized that was a bad decision.”

    The first step in an evacuation is analyzing whether Global Guardian teams stationed around Eastern Europe, including in Ukraine, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia, can reach the evacuees, Buckner said. If not, he said, they may ask people to get themselves to a location where they can be picked up. After some communication about logistics, including how many seats are needed, how much luggage each person can bring, and whether any pets are traveling, evacuees are sent a meeting time and place.

    Global Guardian employees will drive as far as they can until they hit a curfew and stop to sleep for a couple hours. Then the drive continues to the border with Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, or Romania. Evacuees walk across the border to be processed, and other Global Guardian employees pick them up on the other side of the border to bring them to a major city, where they can find a hotel and figure out next steps.

    Buckner said the company is also evacuating individual people and families who find the firm online and need help getting out.

    The cost is determined by both the size of the vehicle and the length of the trip, Buckner said. For example, getting out of Kyiv takes between one and two days, depending on which border crossing you go to. Doing that trip with a 50-person van costs about $18,000, Buckner said.

    Any bus or van that isn’t hired is tasked to drive around and find people who have made it to western Ukraine by themselves, and give them a free ride to the border crossing of their choice, Buckner said.

    3 votes
  15. skybrian
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    Sixteen Days in Ukraine: The first generation born after Ukraine won independence documents the beginning of the Russian invasion. (New York Magazine) This is a long series of anecdotes telling...

    Sixteen Days in Ukraine: The first generation born after Ukraine won independence documents the beginning of the Russian invasion. (New York Magazine)

    This is a long series of anecdotes telling the stories of many young Ukrainians in the first days of the war. It's not graphic (at least so far - I haven't finished), but the cumulative impact of it is quite powerful.

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  16. psi
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    "Putin Needs an Off-Ramp." The Atlantic.

    "Putin Needs an Off-Ramp." The Atlantic.

    Across the West there is a sense that Vladimir Putin not only must be stopped from colonizing Ukraine but should be punished for his barbarism as well. It is a question of natural justice. But Western leaders also face a second imperative. The frightening reality is that we are closer to nuclear war than at any time since the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. And in some ways, the risk of the current crisis spiraling out of control is even greater than that faced by John F. Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev. Unlike in 1962, a hot war is already raging over territory that one side considers important to its national interest, and the other knows is necessary to its national survival. The war, in other words, has become a zero-sum conflict, even though on no reasonable basis can Putin’s belief in Ukraine as a threat to Russia’s security be seen as valid.

    [...]

    The question for Western leaders is how to ensure Putin is defeated while nevertheless providing him with a route out of the crisis and avoiding any missteps that could lead to a wider conflagration [e.g., nuclear war]. The path along the cliff edge is precarious.

    2 votes