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Gunman kills five in Colorado LGBTQ nightclub before he is stopped by patrons

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  1. [3]
    smoontjes
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    I wonder what this "investigation" even entails. Is it not completely obvious that this is a hate crime? Either way, I am continuously saddened by the frequency of these (any kind of) mass...

    Authorities said they were investigating whether the attack was motivated by hate.

    I wonder what this "investigation" even entails. Is it not completely obvious that this is a hate crime?

    Either way, I am continuously saddened by the frequency of these (any kind of) mass shootings in the US. In Denmark, a mentally ill man killed 3 people this year at a mall. Other than that, the last mass shooting was in 2015 - police have stood guard and surveilled the Copenhagen synagogue, armed with automatic weapons 24/7, since that attack.

    It hurts a little bit more than usual (can you believe there is such a thing as 'usual' mass shootings?) when it is my queer siblings that are victims, and I am not holding my breath but I really hope the US can do something, anything, about this chronic issue of theirs.

    10 votes
    1. [2]
      lou
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      Ideally the burden of proof of a police investigation should be higher than first impressions. This is a general observation and must not be interpreted as a comment on whether those in charge of...

      I wonder what this "investigation" even entails. Is it not completely obvious that this is a hate crime?

      Ideally the burden of proof of a police investigation should be higher than first impressions.

      This is a general observation and must not be interpreted as a comment on whether those in charge of that investigation are either fair or competent.

      10 votes
      1. Toric
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        True. For example, It might be possible that this was, say, revenge against an ex, a former boss, etc. However, given the guys background, it seems exceedingly unlikely.

        True. For example, It might be possible that this was, say, revenge against an ex, a former boss, etc. However, given the guys background, it seems exceedingly unlikely.

        1 vote
  2. FishFingus
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    News is now coming out that the shooter is the grandson of California GOP election denier Randy Voepel, and had his record "mysteriously sealed" after making a bomb threat in 2021. Saw on mobile,...

    News is now coming out that the shooter is the grandson of California GOP election denier Randy Voepel, and had his record "mysteriously sealed" after making a bomb threat in 2021. Saw on mobile, but I can't find the link again on PC.

    Wikipedia:
    A Republican, Voepel at one point aligned himself with the Tea Party movement, saying that the Republican Party was too liberal. Following the January 6 United States Capitol attack, Voepel said, "This is Lexington and Concord. First shots fired against tyranny. Tyranny will follow in the aftermath of the Biden swear-in on January 20th."

    I wonder when his defense lawyer will point to his social media behaviour and the hateful rhetoric pushed at him by far-right media sources as some sort of mitigating factor.

    10 votes
  3. cfabbro
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    CBS 8 interview with Aaron Brink, father of alleged Club Q gunman Sigh. The hate and ignorance is just so deeply ingrained.

    CBS 8 interview with Aaron Brink, father of alleged Club Q gunman

    They started telling me about the incident, a shooting involving multiple people. And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘Shit, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… Yeah, I was adament about it [that gay was bad]. I'm a Mormon, a conservative Republican, and we don't do gay. I don't do gay. We don't do gay.”

    Sigh. The hate and ignorance is just so deeply ingrained.

    7 votes
  4. kfwyre
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    For anyone who wants to help those directly impacted, the Colorado Healing Fund is a verified place to donate to. Also, Inside Out Youth Services is a local LGBT organization that undoubtedly...

    For anyone who wants to help those directly impacted, the Colorado Healing Fund is a verified place to donate to.

    Also, Inside Out Youth Services is a local LGBT organization that undoubtedly needs assistance right now.

    Both are on Colorado Springs’ own website regarding the shooting.

    6 votes
  5. [4]
    FishFingus
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    So, with far-right news media blaming the victims for their own murder, saying they're burning in Hell and attempting to justify the genocide of LGBT people with fully mask-off language that I...

    So, with far-right news media blaming the victims for their own murder, saying they're burning in Hell and attempting to justify the genocide of LGBT people with fully mask-off language that I never dared think I'd see in my lifetime, can they be sued and jailed now? Or do LGBT have to start going outside in armed patrols?

    Source for just some of the evil filth, if you can stomach it.

    6 votes
    1. [3]
      cfabbro
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      Why link to an imgur post with screenshots of a small portion of the article instead of the original source?...

      Why link to an imgur post with screenshots of a small portion of the article instead of the original source?
      https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/11/right-wing-media-giants-say-lgbtq-bar-patrons-responsible-murders/

      LGBTQ Nation is a site worth giving proper credit to and supporting, IMO.

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        FishFingus
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        Ah, I didn't see the link's included at the bottom. Edited in.

        Ah, I didn't see the link's included at the bottom. Edited in.

        2 votes
  6. autumn
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    Interesting that they’ve updated the headline:

    Interesting that they’ve updated the headline:

    Colorado patrons stop shooter who killed five at Club Q gay nightclub

    4 votes