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New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, an icon to many, to step down

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  1. [5]
    Joeyfingis
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    It's weird how someone I respected as a politician (which is rare) of course is the exact type of politician to humbly step away.

    It's weird how someone I respected as a politician (which is rare) of course is the exact type of politician to humbly step away.

    12 votes
    1. 0x29A
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      The good ones get weary it seems

      The good ones get weary it seems

      7 votes
    2. [2]
      Nivlak
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      Term limits for congress anyone? How about the Supreme Court?

      Term limits for congress anyone? How about the Supreme Court?

      1 vote
      1. JCPhoenix
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        Supreme Court, sure. But not for Congress. How many terms should a Rep get? 2? 3? A term for the House is only 2yrs, and half this is probably spent campaigning for the next term. So if you...

        Supreme Court, sure. But not for Congress. How many terms should a Rep get? 2? 3? A term for the House is only 2yrs, and half this is probably spent campaigning for the next term. So if you term-limit a rep, then you're gonna end up with tons of inexperienced reps. But who isn't term-limited? Aids and advisors, the party, lobbyists, etc. I think that'd just give these people and groups more influence.

        Obviously this argument isn't as strong for Senators and their 6yrs terms. But still, the ability for a senator or a house rep to build experience over decades is useful. There's a reason why Nancy Pelosi is as powerful as she is/was.

        In every other industry or field, hobby or job, we find that experience is highly desirable. But not in politics, apparently. Strange.

        Further, unlike the Supreme Court, we have options to remove those senators and house members that we feel are out of touch. Every 2 or 6yrs we get that option. We could remove "old people" from power if we wanted to, right now. So why the need the term limit?

        4 votes
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    noble_pleb
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    It very rarely happens that people are lamenting due to a politician resigning from her post. Can someone tell me the highlights of her term, what good did she do for common New Zealanders? The...

    It very rarely happens that people are lamenting due to a politician resigning from her post. Can someone tell me the highlights of her term, what good did she do for common New Zealanders? The only thing I remember her for is that hijab promotion photo-op she did few years ago. But again, that's just social media signaling to me!

    5 votes
    1. [7]
      PantsEnvy
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      She led New Zealand, through a number of crises, with a strong direction and empathy. She responded to the mosque shootings with a show of solidarity towards the victims, and then her govt...

      She led New Zealand, through a number of crises, with a strong direction and empathy.

      She responded to the mosque shootings with a show of solidarity towards the victims, and then her govt followed up with additional gun controls.

      She responded to the COVID disease with tight lockdowns, and achieved high vaccination rates, which saved lives, and also increased minimum wage by something like 35%.

      She responded to housing shortages and high house prices with a ban on foreign house ownership and other regulation.

      She was also a genuinely likable human being, which while important in and of itself, led to a lot of positive international press for her, and by proxy the rest of New Zealand. One of my favorite clips, was when Jacinda was driving Colbert, and a fellow Kiwi driver waved. https://youtu.be/DUPo62ouU84?t=115

      Of course, a lot of people criticized her for wearing a head covering, for mismanaging the lockdowns, and for not passing a promised capital gains tax to reign in house flippers from profiteering from rising house prices (or for threatening to pass it, depending on your views).

      Edit: The Kiwi driver also said hello. To the prime minister. Not to Colbert. Colberts disappointment is comedic gold.

      16 votes
      1. [6]
        unknown user
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        I'm not going to pretend like I know the situation, but from what I've heard on Reddit, apparently people are blaming her for the housing crisis, which was apparently a response to poor leadership...

        She responded to housing shortages and high house prices

        I'm not going to pretend like I know the situation, but from what I've heard on Reddit, apparently people are blaming her for the housing crisis, which was apparently a response to poor leadership (hers or her cabinet's) in respect to the housing market.

        If at all possible, could you elaborate on that? I think she's an admirable person and PM, but I'd prefer to have my picture of her painted more carefully.

        2 votes
        1. [5]
          PantsEnvy
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          Here is a graph of NZ vs USA housing prices indexed to when Arden took over. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=YY17 So blaming Ardern for the global housing market is a bit like blaming Biden...

          Here is a graph of NZ vs USA housing prices indexed to when Arden took over.

          https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=YY17

          So blaming Ardern for the global housing market is a bit like blaming Biden for the global inflation problem.

          She screwed up on a promise to build 100,000 new low income houses in ten years, but she still ended up producing more houses than Trump did miles of border walls, so you know...

          I think her political opponents are doing an effective job attacking her on housing. I doubt their ability or even willingness to fix it, as most of their voters are home owners and landlords.

          11 votes
          1. [2]
            unknown user
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            I don't think comparing high bar to underground bar is viable here, but I hear what you're saying. That's the impression (likely to be highly-subjective and marred by the terse medium) I got from...

            but she still ended up producing more houses than Trump did miles of border walls, so you know...

            I don't think comparing high bar to underground bar is viable here, but I hear what you're saying.

            I doubt their ability or even willingness to fix it

            That's the impression (likely to be highly-subjective and marred by the terse medium) I got from reading those same comments. "Sure, they'll shout a lot about it. Can they do it themselves? Doubt it".

            5 votes
          2. [2]
            p4t44
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            I don't think it's accurate to attribute the rise in house prices solely to global economic forces. Adding more coutries to your link such as Australia, France or Japan shows that not every...

            blaming Ardern for the global housing market

            I don't think it's accurate to attribute the rise in house prices solely to global economic forces. Adding more coutries to your link such as Australia, France or Japan shows that not every country has had house prices rise as badly as New Zealand.

            When Adern was first elected, her campaign focused on house prices as one of the most important issues which she claimed she could fix. House prices under Adern increased faster than than under her predecessor.

            3 votes
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    1. Adys
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      “Very unpopular”? She’s polling at 35 percent (higher than any other) for “preferred prime minister”. NZ doesn’t seem to have “approval rating” but given that number I suspect it’s in the high...

      “Very unpopular”? She’s polling at 35 percent (higher than any other) for “preferred prime minister”. NZ doesn’t seem to have “approval rating” but given that number I suspect it’s in the high 50s.
      When the US can’t get past 40 percent approval rating on either of its last two presidents, I feel like that redefines “very unpopular”.

      2 votes